US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread

[yuneeq]

IIRC they were taken approximately right before the speech. I am talking about the ones from the park service that Trump had removed. One thing I do know for a fact is the Trump photo is accurate as I watched the inauguration and they showed the crowd size many times.

The picture which was spread around, was taken at 11:04, about an hour before his speech. The crowds were still filling in.

Here's the pic from the NY Times (which was retweeted by Park service and eventually removed)



And here's the gigapixel pic from CNN that was released a few days later. Use the white building for reference.

[JTZ]

Yes, don't want them to think that bullying is an affective political tool.

So you don't think Trump tries to bully people?
Lets say everything you say is true. How does that change who the person is or what they stand for? If you couldn't tolerate him before it does make sense to me that now you would cheer for him now based on how others view him.

[JTZ]

The picture which was spread around, was taken at 11:04, about an hour before his speech. The crowds were still filling in.
Here's the pic from the NY Times (which was retweeted by Park service and eventually removed)
And here's the gigapixel pic from CNN that was released a few days later. Use the white building for reference.

Like I said I watched the inauguration and there were empty spots all over the place. What time was Obamas picture taken?
ETA: It seems both pictures were taken about 45 minutes before each speech. Is that about right?

[Sport]

So you don't think Trump tries to bully people?
Lets say everything you say is true. How does that change who the person is or what they stand for? If you couldn't tolerate him before it does make sense to me that now you would cheer for him now based on how others view him.

Unfortunately it has nothing to do with him or his policies. You are underscoring precisely my point- if they weren't so cought up on undermining and delegitimizing Trump instead of focusing on honestly debating the pros and cons of policy we would be having a diffrent conversation.

[JTZ]

Unfortunately it has nothing to do with him or his policies. You are underscoring precisely my point- if they weren't so cought up on undermining and delegitimizing Trump instead of focusing on honestly debating the pros and cons of policy we would be having a diffrent conversation.

My point is it doesn't matter what the media or liberals say about him. That doesn't change the way I view him.
When he calls a mainstream conservative judge "so-called" I want to know what the h*ll is he talking about. Forget about the liberals and media reports.

[Sport]

My point is it doesn't matter what the media or liberals say about him. That doesn't change the way I view him.
When he calls a mainstream conservative judge "so-called" I want to know what the h*ll is he talking about. Forget about the liberals and media reports.

I agree, but they just make it very difficult when they frame it as "if youre pro trump your a misogynist, uneducated, bigot, hater and the biggest threat to America and humanity".
I would rather see that segment and approach fail even if that means cheering for Trump.

[aygart]

I hope we can get to the point of discussing his policies instead of his ego driven childish tweets. Lets give him credit for nominating a conservative supreme court nominee.

at least in this forum that is entirely up to you since you are the just about the only one who brings them up

[elit]

I guess her "alternative facts" comment was her using the wrong words. But wait she didn't take back that one.

You are a true master of deflection you should work as a political spin head on tv

And this is precisely why people like me who don't even like Trump are rooting for him in his war against the media.

That times a million.

I hope we can get to the point of discussing his policies instead of his ego driven childish tweets. Lets give him credit for nominating a conservative supreme court nominee.

You keep.saying that yet you keep driving the conversations around the stupidity like the massacre comment which you decided was so so horrible and when I called you on it you tried to turn the conversation to another dumb non policy issue

Unfortunately it has nothing to do with him or his policies. You are underscoring precisely my point- if they weren't so cought up on undermining and delegitimizing Trump instead of focusing on honestly debating the pros and cons of policy we would be having a diffrent conversation.

Exactly.

[JTZ]

I agree, but they just make it very difficult when they frame it as "if youre pro trump your a misogynist, uneducated, bigot, hater and the biggest threat to America and humanity".
I would rather see that segment and approach fail even if that means cheering for Trump.

So how do you talk about any real issue when the standard response here is you are just spewing the liberal BS?
I want to know how he is going to replace ACA with something better. I want to know how is going to eliminate IS from the face of the earth. I see nothing in his tweets or EO about these serious issues. His tweets are about attacking those that disagree with him.

[JTZ]

at least in this forum that is entirely up to you since you are the just about the only one who brings them up

Please explain what he means by "so-called" judge?

[JTZ]

You are a true master of deflection you should work as a political spin head on tv

..and you like most here refuse to answer a simple question or call him out on his stupid tweets.

Please explain what he means by "so-called" judge?

[yuneeq]

So you don't think Trump tries to bully people?
Lets say everything you say is true. How does that change who the person is or what they stand for? If you couldn't tolerate him before it does make sense to me that now you would cheer for him now based on how others view him.

To answer you honestly, I feel that the MSM is the biggest bully, shoving their leftist narrative down everyone's throats. Many people voted for Trump because they care about the SCOTUS pick or they care about conservative values and/or they want to stop the stranglehold that the left has on our nation. I wasn't enthusiastic, didn't decide to vote for him until I got to the voter booth, and didn't comment much in this thread. Then Trump is elected, and the media lies and attacks him and his followers constantly, lying about many things including calling him an illegitimate president. So when Trump attacks back, we root for him to hit them hard. We root for him to continue attacking the PC culture that we so very hate. We root for him to dismantle the media's barrage of lies. I don't think that's bullying, it's standing up for what's right. And yes he's sometimes wrong, or he says thing wrong, but I know when he is wrong it will be pointed out by everyone, R's included. Which is good, because that means there are checks and balances. When the left is wrong, if we're lucky, the truth will be quietly revised in an article 3 days later. There are no checks and balances. So you either take the whole package or watch as democracy continues to unravel. Yeah he's not the perfect candidate, doesn't have great character, etc. But at the end of the day, he's the last remaining chip that can stop a lifetime of leftist lunacy. And frankly, he's doing everything (or at least going through the motions) he promised he would during his campaign.

[aygart]

Please explain what he means by "so-called" judge?

It is his stupid and childish way of posturing. Can we go on?

[JTZ]

To answer you honestly, I feel that the MSM is the biggest bully, shoving their leftist narrative down everyone's throats. Many people voted for Trump because they care about the SCOTUS pick or they care about conservative values and/or they want to stop the stranglehold that the left has on our nation. I wasn't enthusiastic, didn't decide to vote for him until I got to the voter booth, and didn't comment much in this thread. Then Trump is elected, and the media lies and attacks him and his followers constantly, lying about many things including calling him an illegitimate president. So when Trump attacks back, we root for him to hit them hard. We root for him to continue attacking the PC culture that we so very hate. We root for him to dismantle the media's barrage of lies. I don't think that's bullying, it's standing up for what's right. And yes he's sometimes wrong, or he says thing wrong, but I know when he is wrong it will be pointed out by everyone, R's included. Which is good, because that means there are checks and balances. When the left is wrong, if we're lucky, the truth will be quietly revised in an article 3 days later. There are no checks and balances. So you either take the whole package or watch as democracy continues to unravel. Yeah he's not the perfect candidate, doesn't have great character, etc. But at the end of the day, he's the last remaining chip that can stop a lifetime of leftist lunacy. And frankly, he's doing everything (or at least going through the motions) he promised he would during his campaign.

Here is the difference in a nutshell. You are obsessed with the media. I am obsessed with what OUR president says and does.

[JTZ]

Can we go on?

What does that mean?

[zale]

Please explain what he means by "so-called" judge?

He's taking a shot at the judge, plain and simple.

Allow yourself to be apolitical for a moment, and research the law as to who has the right to allow or decline entry into the country. This is entirely at the discretion of the Executive branch.

There were lawsuits all over the country. This judge is clearly taking a shot at Trump, and Trump is taking a shot back.

If you think that the judicial branch of this country is not partisan, and that this judge wasn't avenging Jeb Bush, then I would love to visit the rock you crawled out from.

[aygart]

What does that mean?

It means you are caught up in every stupid tweet of his to the exclusion of anything substantive.

[Cheesecake]

So how do you talk about any real issue when the standard response here is you are just spewing the liberal BS?
I want to know how he is going to replace ACA with something better. I want to know how is going to eliminate IS from the face of the earth. I see nothing in his tweets or EO about these serious issues. His tweets are about attacking those that disagree with him.

If you judge his entire 4-8 year presidency on his tweets, yes, he fails miserably.

But that's a very dumb way to judge.

[JTZ]

He's taking a shot at the judge, plain and simple.

Allow yourself to be apolitical for a moment, and research the law as to who has the right to allow or decline entry into the country. This is entirely at the discretion of the Executive branch.

There were lawsuits all over the country. This judge is clearly taking a shot at Trump, and Trump is taking a shot back.

If you think that the judicial branch of this country is not partisan, and that this judge wasn't avenging Jeb Bush, then I would love to visit the rock you crawled out from.

This is the answer given when there is no logical answer. You can't blame everything on partisan politics. Have you read any part of the immigration law passed by congress? Does it state you can't discriminated based on country of origin?

[Cheesecake]

Please explain what he means by "so-called" judge?

It means he doesn't like his decision, and that's Trump's way of saying it.

It's ridiculous, but entertaining, and probably effective.