US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread

[Super Speed]

Give em a second place trophy

Isn't that Hillary's place her whole life?
Second place to winning nomination, second place to winning the presidency and let's not forget second place to Monica Lewinsky.

[aygart]

Except your logic is flawed. I never supported the Dems the last eight years. Your problem is you can't stand those that think for themselves. Nobody tells me how to think or what to do except the one I answer to.

This is where you are mistaken. What is happening is not that you are thinking for yourself. You are using his vulgar words and actions to avoid thinking for yourself. I don't think anyone here considers him a to be a tzaddik. That does not mean that every single thing he said and does is wrong because of those statements. Is your view of religion that once someone is of low character they should be vilified for every single thing they do and that even their good actions should not be defended?

[JTZ]

DJT has already done more for the country than BHO has done in 8 years. But keep your head buried in that sand.

Have you completely lost your mind? You might not agree with the ACA but it has helped millions. Have you checked the market from where it was to where it is now? Have you seen OBL walking around anywhere? I did not vote for him, I disagree with most of his policies but to say he hasn't done anything in 8 years is crazy.

[JTZ]

This is where you are mistaken. What is happening is not that you are thinking for yourself. You are using his vulgar words and actions to avoid thinking for yourself. I don't think anyone here considers him a to be a tzaddik. That does not mean that every single thing he said and does is wrong because of those statements. Is your view of religion that once someone is of low character they should be vilified for every single thing they do and that even their good actions should not be defended?

What are you talking about? Just yesterday I pointed out how he stopped the ethics train wreck the R's were headed for. He gets credit for that. Fords recent decision on not going ahead to build a plant in Mexico seems he gets credit for that to. This does not change who he is. His actions will do that and they have not changed.

[aygart]

Have you completely lost your mind? You might not agree with the ACA but it has helped millions. Have you checked the market from where it was to where it is now? Have you seen OBL walking around anywhere? I did vote for him, I disagree with most of his policies but to say he hasn't done anything in 8 years is crazy.

I seem to remember someone here saying that the stock market movement was due to interest rates. If so it has nothing to do with his policies and the credit would go to GWB who appointed Bernanke.

[JTZ]

I seem to remember someone here saying that the stock market movement was due to interest rates. If so it has nothing to do with his policies and the credit would go to GWB who appointed Bernanke.

I have said over and over the president in office gets credit for the market. This is the same standard I will hold for Trump. Unlike most here I don't move the goalpost.

[JTZ]

Isn't that Hillary's place her whole life?
Second place to winning nomination, second place to winning the presidency and let's not forget second place to Monica Lewinsky.

That's a disgusting thing to say. Bill was a scumbag for that but to put that on Hillary says a lot about your attitude toward women. It seems Trump is rubbing off on you in the wrong way.

[zh cohen]

You mean like buying a 6ft portrait of yourself?

I think this is way overblown. It was a charity auction, which meant the money was going from his charity to another charity. The value of the painting was a tiny fraction of what he paid.

[Super Speed]

That's a disgusting thing to say. Bill was a scumbag for that but to put that on Hillary says a lot about your attitude toward women. It seems Trump is rubbing off on you in the wrong way.

You sound like the MSM. "The country isn't ready for a female president"
The answer is the country may be ready but not for THIS female president and not because she's female but because she's Hillary.

[JTZ]

You sound like the MSM. "The country isn't ready for a female president"
The answer is the country may be ready but not for THIS female president and not because she's female but because she's Hillary.

Talk about deflection. This has nothing to do with the election or politics. It was a disgusting comment I would expect from Trump.

It case you missed it I bolded the part I am talking about.

[hachover]

Isn't that Hillary's place her whole life?
Second place to winning nomination, second place to winning the presidency and let's not forget second place to Monica Lewinsky.

My point was to actually hand out trophies to the people who feel like they lost. It's the culture they are used to... it's impossible for them to not be a winner every time... so they need recognition no matter what the standings are. Have a trophy for getting second place, or a medal for finishing 12th in little league, or a plaque for being ranked #47 in your law school class. That should work better than free counseling and days off from school

[JTZ]

My point was to actually hand out trophies to the people who feel like they lost. It's the culture they are used to... it's impossible for them to not be a winner every time... so they need recognition no matter what the standings are. Have a trophy for getting second place, or a medal for finishing 12th in little league, or a plaque for being ranked #47 in your law school class. That should work better than free counseling and days off from school

What about participation trophies? 

[Super Speed]

Have you completely lost your mind? You might not agree with the ACA but it has helped millions. Have you checked the market from where it was to where it is now? Have you seen OBL walking around anywhere? I did not vote for him, I disagree with most of his policies but to say he hasn't done anything in 8 years is crazy.

I didn't say BHO didn't do anything, all I said is Trump did more. Without moving goal posts if Trump tweets about a company and their stock plunges that is Obama's fault?
Let's be real here the stock market is up because a lot of people think Trump can bring positive change to the economy. Time will tell if it'll be a consistent uphill or it's just the hype but that's the facts.

[Super Speed]

That's a disgusting thing to say. Bill was a scumbag for that but to put that on Hillary says a lot about your attitude toward women. It seems Trump is rubbing off on you in the wrong way.

Cause Hillary had nothing to do with trying to silence the woman, right?
Secondly I'm just stating a fact how she isn't new to this second place thing so she doesn't really need a consolation prize.

[Super Speed]

Talk about deflection. This has nothing to do with the election or politics. It was a disgusting comment I would expect from Trump.

It case you missed it I bolded the part I am talking about.

I'm on Tapatalk, I can't see what was bolded.

[CS1]

Cause Hillary had nothing to do with trying to silence the woman, right?
Secondly I'm just stating a fact how she isn't new to this second place thing so she doesn't really need a consolation prize.

no. Not voting for Hillary had nothing to do with that. She herself was dishonest, and not competent to keep appropriate security levels and lead our nation according to the states votes. There are probably over 100 women who can do that better than her, and better than Trump, and they could have won the states over Trump as well -- however they weren't placed on the primary list so it didn't happen. Nothing to do with being a woman. 

[ExGingi]

Have you completely lost your mind? You might not agree with the ACA but it has helped millions. Have you checked the market from where it was to where it is now? Have you seen OBL walking around anywhere? I did not vote for him, I disagree with most of his policies but to say he hasn't done anything in 8 years is crazy.

While I despise BHO and most of his policies, I will be one of the first to admit that he has done a lot (though I strongly believe the ACA has HURT more that it had HELPED, so if anyone were to try and defend BHO, I would leave ACA out of the equation).

I know of many people that were helped by MHA/HAMP, and I do credit BHO for that. And he did give the order to take out OBL, though I think any sitting president would have done that, so while he does deserve credit, I think it's just something that he was lucky to have the opportunity to do under his watch.

HOWEVER, BHO was given A LOT MORE CREDIT than anyone (probably including himself) thought he deserved, by the global left-wing elitists, in awarding him the Noble Peace Prize (please remind me for what accomplishment?). I think if that is put side-by-side with DJT's accomplishments prior to January 20, 2017, DJT wins hands down on much more positive accomplished and attributed (though not everything rightfully so).

[JTZ]

Let's be real here the stock market is up because a lot of people think Trump can bring positive change to the economy. Time will tell if it'll be a consistent uphill or it's just the hype but that's the facts.

Remember the economy was left in shambles. The stock market was up 100% before the election. That is the facts. Unlike you I am not putting that on Bush (economy). First day to last day, no moving the goalpost.

[JTZ]

While I despise BHO and most of his policies, I will be one of the first to admit that he has done a lot (though I strongly believe the ACA has HURT more that it had HELPED, so if anyone were to try and defend BHO, I would leave ACA out of the equation).

You can believe that but facts say differently. The taxpayers are footing the bills but how much is human life worth?

[JTZ]

What if he has to make a decision on going to war? I guess he is going to make that decision with no input from the intelligence agencies that he constantly berates. Wait now I get it. He can use the Russians that he praises or the sexual predator Julian Assange.

"The "Intelligence" briefing on so-called "Russian hacking" was delayed until Friday, perhaps more time needed to build a case. Very strange!"

"Julian Assange said "a 14 year old could have hacked Podesta" - why was DNC so careless? Also said Russians did not give him the info!"