US Politics/2016 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread

[David Smith]

You want such a man serving as your President?

I'd rather a competent president with a personal life that I find morally questionable (within the law, of course) than a president with marital views that align with mine but is woefully incapable accomplishing anything positive in his capacity as president. Bill Clinton's personal affairs didn't seem to interfere with his presidential duties too severely.

[TimT]

This is just Trump's outreach to democratic voters.

[David Smith]

I think Trump just became more relatable to the majority of American men.

I find it interesting that people are so outraged. I thought that the average American's perspective aligned more with a Vegas playboy than an evangelical like Cruz. His campaign has even retweeted images of his Melania next to Mrs. Cruz comparing their physical attractiveness. It's interesting that his voicing what every TV character and casino hopper that chases nude models decades their junior must voice is so shocking. Did nobody realize until now that his personal life and mannerisms reveal him to be quite base of character?

[CS1]

I'd rather a competent president with a personal life that I find morally questionable (within the law, of course) than a president with marital views that align with mine but is woefully incapable accomplishing anything positive in his capacity as president. Bill Clinton's personal affairs didn't seem to interfere with his presidential duties too severely.

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Agreed. That was over 11 yrs ago with Trump >>  vs. Hillary's issues, and her lying, and her emails, and the risk and threat of her anti-Israel and anti-building in our own land, and her cash payments to Iran, and her responsibilities to prevent the deaths in Benghazi are all in the past 1-3 yrs. She (and her future cabinet) are much less competent and trustworthy.

[aygart]

I'd rather a competent president with a personal life that I find morally questionable (within the law, of course) than a president with marital views that align with mine but is woefully incapable accomplishing anything positive in his capacity as president. Bill Clinton's personal affairs didn't seem to interfere with his presidential duties too severely.

I find it interesting that people are so outraged. I thought that the average American's perspective aligned more with a Vegas playboy than an evangelical like Cruz. His campaign has even retweeted images of his Melania next to Mrs. Cruz comparing their physical attractiveness. It's interesting that his voicing what every TV character and casino hopper that chases nude models decades their junior must voice is so shocking. Did nobody realize until now that his personal life and mannerisms reveal him to be quite base of character?

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Agreed. That was over 11 yrs ago with Trump >>  vs. Hillary's issues, and her lying, and her emails, and the risk and threat of her anti-Israel and anti-building in our own land, and her cash payments to Iran, and her responsibilities to prevent the deaths in Benghazi are all in the past 1-3 yrs. She (and her future cabinet) are much less competent and trustworthy.

as I said....

Did anyone here actually think that he doesn't talk that way? I never thought for a second that he was any better than that. Does anyone think Bill Clinton doesn't talk that way? Do you know anyone who will change their vote based on that?

Do you think this affects him more or less with the general electorate.

As an aside, he put out a press release today that he was preparing for the debate instead of going to Wisconsin. Preparing with Christie, Preibus, and Sessions.

[churnbabychurn]

No reason to assume he will improve his performance tomorrow.
He lacked confidence the first time around... Kol Sheken now. He's gonna go down hard tomorrow imho.

[Dan]

I'd rather a competent president with a personal life that I find morally questionable (within the law, of course) than a president with marital views that align with mine but is woefully incapable accomplishing anything positive in his capacity as president. Bill Clinton's personal affairs didn't seem to interfere with his presidential duties too severely.

What has Trump done in his life that makes you assume he would be a competent president?

#ImWithMickey

[Dan]

No reason to assume he will improve his performance tomorrow.
He lacked confidence the first time around... Kol Sheken now. He's gonna go down hard tomorrow imho.

+1k

[David Smith]

What has Trump done in his life that makes you assume he would be a competent president?

#ImWithMickey

Why in the world would you think I assume Trump would be a competent president? I think he's the among most inappropriate choices to be within such striking distance of the presidency in US history.

[Yehuda57]

Yes, all 50 year old American males speak about assaulting women due to their social status or wealth.

A vote for Trump is not just a vote against Hillary, it's a tacit approval of him as your representative to the world.

This thread disgusts me more than Trump's comments. That so many frum people are so cavalier about someone so morally repugnant is disheartening, to say the least.

[TimT]

This thread disgusts me more than Trump's comments. That so many frum people are so cavalier about someone so morally repugnant is disheartening, to say the least.

This thread is about "picking your poison"

[Dan]

Why in the world would you think I assume Trump would be a competent president? I think he's the among most inappropriate choices to be within such striking distance of the presidency in US history.

Because you just strongly implied that?

[CS1]

No reason to assume he will improve his performance tomorrow.
He lacked confidence the first time around... Kol Sheken now. He's gonna go down hard tomorrow imho.

if this is the worst possible "hot-mike" quote that they find from someone in the public eye in the past 15 years, who never denied that he used to be a male-chauvinist, then it's really not a threat to the USA. He asked her a question, she said, "No", He respected that -- End of story! Is this the whole thing? There's nothing here: http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/08/politics/republicans-replace-trump/

Hillary and her behaviors, her lying under oath, her risking the lives of Americans overseas, and being a threat to our gov't by using non-secure servers for confidential emails, and deleting gov't files, are much, much worse.
If this is the worst that they can find with him and is "off the air" comments in all his TV and radio interviews, then we are still in better shape with Trump.

[Yehuda57]

if this is the worst possible "hot-mike" quote that they find from someone in the public eye in the past 15 years, who never denied that he used to be a male-chauvinist, then it's really not a threat to the USA. He asked her a question, she said, "No", He respected that -- End of story! Is this the whole thing? There's nothing here: http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/08/politics/republicans-replace-trump/

Hillary and her behaviors, her lying under oath, her risking the lives of Americans overseas, and being a threat to our gov't by using non-secure servers for confidential emails, and deleting gov't files, are much, much worse.
If this is the worst that they can find with him and is "off the air" comments in all his TV and radio interviews, then we are still in better shape with Trump.

It's not close to the worst. For example:


The are plenty of others saying similar things. Giyf

[zale]

if this is the worst possible "hot-mike" quote that they find from someone in the public eye in the past 15 years, who never denied that he used to be a male-chauvinist, then it's really not a threat to the USA. He asked her a question, she said, "No", He respected that -- End of story! Is this the whole thing? There's nothing here: http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/08/politics/republicans-replace-trump/

Hillary and her behaviors, her lying under oath, her risking the lives of Americans overseas, and being a threat to our gov't by using non-secure servers for confidential emails, and deleting gov't files, are much, much worse.
If this is the worst that they can find with him and is "off the air" comments in all his TV and radio interviews, then we are still in better shape with Trump.

Most Americans will agree that both choices are not "good". However, people want to know that the person occupying the oval office for the next four years has the capacity to make sane decisions. People would rather have a sane person who has been negligent in the past, then have an upredictable person.

Trump is incoherent and unpredictable. This alone freaks out voters. He talks pure gibberish, and comes across as an ignorant child. Hillary looks and acts like a witch, but at least she knows what she is talking about.

The emails, Benghazi etc has long blown over.

[yoohoo]

I think this whole thread can really be just one page

[Brian93]

I think this whole thread can really be just one page

See wiki.

[Yehuda57]

This thread is about "picking your poison"

Actively voting for Trump is just that: voting for Trump. No amount of political strategizing changes that. There's simply far too much garbage to get over to still say "not as bad as Hilary," including some of the most vile, hateful things that should make anyone with any sort of moral fiber's skin crawl.

There comes a point where you say genug shoin. If I vote, I'm writing someone in - whether it's Harambe זי"ע, or Gary Sanchez. But I sure as heck am not going to put forward a person who so antithesizes any sort of moral, religious or ethical code.

[jj1000]

Actively voting for Trump is just that: voting for Trump. No amount of political strategizing changes that. There's simply far too much garbage to get over to still say "not as bad as Hilary," including some of the most vile, hateful things that should make anyone with any sort of moral fiber's skin crawl.

There comes a point where you say genug shoin. If I vote, I'm writing someone in - whether it's Harambe זי"ע, or Gary Sanchez. But I sure as heck am not going to put forward a person who so antithesizes any sort of moral, religious or ethical code.

We don't live in a vacuum. If someone feels Hilary is much worse than Trump for this country I don't think voting for Trump means agreeing with everything he's done or stands for.

Have you ever agreed with everything someome stands for that you voted for? And if Trump ran against hitler would you still not vote for him?

The point of those questions are to show there is such a thing as the other candidate is worse therefore...

[CS1]

Most Americans will agree that both choices are not "good". However, people want to know that the person occupying the oval office for the next four years has the capacity to make sane decisions. People would rather have a sane person who has been negligent in the past, then have an upredictable person.

Trump is incoherent and unpredictable. This alone freaks out voters. He talks pure gibberish, and comes across as an ignorant child. Hillary looks and acts like a witch, but at least she knows what she is talking about.
The emails, Benghazi etc has long blown over.

These are both more "life or death" dangers in 2016 than anything that Trump said in 2005.

We don't have the luxury of voting for anyone competent in 2016.

It's either incoherent Trump who will have an intelligent West Wing, or high-risk, anti-Semetic, dishonest Hillary who acted incorrectly as an elected official for the past several years. If we don't want Hillary in the White House, then we cannot vote for a third party. Only voting for Trump will keep Hillary (and Max Blumenthal) from approving the continuation of Obama's pro-Islam plans, etc...