At this point I'm so confused!! Can someone please make a wiki with who's arguing with who.
Only thing I think I understand is that yochiek93 thinks that until the perpetrators themselves have admitted wrongdoing (or mistake making,however you look at it) nobody has any right to believe other ppl or rabanim that insist there was wrongdoing (or mistake making).
I have such a headache trying to figure out if anyone is actually arguing about the case or just arguing about whether to argue