Dimeththyltryptamine (DMT) & Halacha

[Suave]

Anyone reading this thread and curious, Please please be safe. The more you educate yourself the less chance of adverse reactions or bad trips.
https://tripsafe.org/

You can also try finding a therapist who understands psychedelics etc here: https://integration.maps.org/

[AsherO]

@yeshiva guy hope you are doing well and already found what you’re looking for.

If not, or for someone else looking, did you contact ReliefHelp (frum mental health referral organization)?
2. Therapist Mordechai Weinberger might have someone to refer you to, he says he’s a big proponent of such treatment (not DMT specifically, but using such narcotics to treat treatment-resistant mental health issues).

[Ver hut gazugt]

@yeshiva guy hope you are doing well and already found what you’re looking for.

If not, or for someone else looking, did you contact ReliefHelp (frum mental health referral organization)?
2. Therapist Mordechai Weinberger might have someone to refer you to, he says he’s a big proponent of such treatment (not DMT specifically, but using such narcotics to treat treatment-resistant mental health issues).

Mirel Goldstien is very active in this area (she is proponent For specific conditions ). Just be carful Lots of emerging evidence that it can very easily make things worse not better….

[aygart]

  Just be carful Lots of emerging evidence that it can very easily make things worse not better….

Who would have thought

[Suave]

hello , i am looking to take ayahuasca  or magic mushrooms to treat my depression , however the  retreats  that have this treatment has shamans (religious guides) that make pagan rituals on the medicine so it makes it impossible for religious jews to attend do you you have any suggestions?
p.s i tried ketamine and pharmaceuticals in the usa already nothing works

Ayahuasca has become pretty popular in (fringe?) Jewish communities lately, there's a group session happening in Monsey this Thursday night.

[moko]

Ayahuasca has become pretty popular in (fringe?) Jewish communities lately, there's a group session happening in Monsey this Thursday night.

I guess Zalman shachter-shalomi was ahead of his times....

[JlmBoi]

Ayahuasca has become pretty popular in (fringe?) Jewish communities lately, there's a group session happening in Monsey this Thursday night.

חשש חילול שבת

[Suave]

Great piece about @Rick Strassman https://doubleblindmag.com/rick-strassman-dmt-mystical-state/

Great article by Madison Margolin about the psychedelic revolution in the frum world https://doubleblindmag.com/jewish-orthodox-psychedelics/

[flyingace]

Great piece about @Rick Strassman https://doubleblindmag.com/rick-strassman-dmt-mystical-state/

Great article by Madison Margolin about the psychedelic revolution in the frum world https://doubleblindmag.com/jewish-orthodox-psychedelics/

חשש חילול שבת

Looks like not a chashash.

[Shauly101]

Great piece about @Rick Strassman https://doubleblindmag.com/rick-strassman-dmt-mystical-state/

Great article by Madison Margolin about the psychedelic revolution in the frum world https://doubleblindmag.com/jewish-orthodox-psychedelics/

frum world hmm

[gozalim]

חשש חילול שבת

that's a long trip

[moko]

Pretty surprised that not one of these articles mentions Zalman Shachter-shalomi

[chevron]

I can see the desire and need to explore and challenge ones Identity etc

I always felt scared and embraced when they'd administer anesthesia and actually always requested to be knocked out first, I had a real panic attack once on the operating table before they administered.

As my friend Daniel quotes Davie Crockett "he who is destined to die by hanging, will not drown" I'm deathly scared of flying which is irrational.

I drank to handle reality and existence, I cut down on my drinking to better manage my cognitive function.

It's not necessarily a solution, I'm always beset by questions of existence, purpose, being,  clashes of time management, reality etc

I worry non stop, I don't worry, I worry that I'm not worried haha

But I'd never want any out of body drugs.. that's just me.. I stopped post op opioids back in 2009? Recognized how crazy the heroin based stuff was.

Not comparing the 2, I just figure if there are any answers, I'll find them when I die.. and if there are no answers, what have I got to gain..

[jj1000]

I can see the desire and need to explore and challenge ones Identity etc

I always felt scared and embraced when they'd administer anesthesia and actually always requested to be knocked out first, I had a real panic attack once on the operating table before they administered.

As my friend Daniel quotes Davie Crockett "he who is destined to die by hanging, will not drown" I'm deathly scared of flying which is irrational.

I drank to handle reality and existence, I cut down on my drinking to better manage my cognitive function.

It's not necessarily a solution, I'm always beset by questions of existence, purpose, being,  clashes of time management, reality etc

I worry non stop, I don't worry, I worry that I'm not worried haha

But I'd never want any out of body drugs.. that's just me.. I stopped post op opioids back in 2009? Recognized how crazy the heroin based stuff was.

Not comparing the 2, I just figure if there are any answers, I'll find them when I die.. and if there are no answers, what have I got to gain..

Deep stuff man. Good on you for cutting back on drinking!

[AsherO]

חשש חילול שבת

Yup, according to Halacha you aren’t supposed to embark on a trip less than three days before Shabbos

[AsherO]

Pretty surprised that not one of these articles mentions Zalman Shachter-shalomi

Any recommended reading on this topic?

[Suave]

Any recommended reading on this topic?

Most of these books mention Zalman Shachter-shalomi

The Psychedelic Handbook: A Practical Guide to Psilocybin, LSD, Ketamine, MDMA, and DMT/Ayahuasca by @Rick Strassman (Release date August 9, 2022 - I can't wait  )

DMT: The Spirit Molecule: A Doctor's Revolutionary Research into the Biology of Near-Death and Mystical Experiences by Rick Strassman

DMT and the Soul of Prophecy: A New Science of Spiritual Revelation in the Hebrew Bible by Rick Strassman
Psychedelic Medicine: The Healing Powers of LSD, MDMA, Psilocybin, and Ayahuasca Written by (Rabbi) Dr. Richard Lewis Miller

The Psychedelic Explorer's Guide: Safe, Therapeutic, and Sacred Journeys by James Fadiman

The Psychedelic Experience by Timothy Leary, Ralph Metzner, and Richard Alpert (Ram Dass)

Food of the Gods: The Search for the Original Tree of Knowledge A Radical History of Plants, Drugs, and Human Evolution by Terence McKenna

Be Here Now by Ram Dass

How to Change Your Mind: What the New Science of Psychedelics Teaches Us About Consciousness, Dying, Addiction, Depression, and Transcendence by Michael Pollan

Cannabis Chassidis: The Ancient and Emerging Torah of Drugs by Yosef Leib

[AsherO]

Most of these books mention Zalman Shachter-shalomi

The Psychedelic Handbook: A Practical Guide to Psilocybin, LSD, Ketamine, MDMA, and DMT/Ayahuasca by @Rick Strassman (Release date August 9, 2022 - I can't wait  )

DMT: The Spirit Molecule: A Doctor's Revolutionary Research into the Biology of Near-Death and Mystical Experiences by Rick Strassman

DMT and the Soul of Prophecy: A New Science of Spiritual Revelation in the Hebrew Bible by Rick Strassman
Psychedelic Medicine: The Healing Powers of LSD, MDMA, Psilocybin, and Ayahuasca Written by (Rabbi) Dr. Richard Lewis Miller

The Psychedelic Explorer's Guide: Safe, Therapeutic, and Sacred Journeys by James Fadiman

The Psychedelic Experience by Timothy Leary, Ralph Metzner, and Richard Alpert (Ram Dass)

Food of the Gods: The Search for the Original Tree of Knowledge A Radical History of Plants, Drugs, and Human Evolution by Terence McKenna

Be Here Now by Ram Dass

How to Change Your Mind: What the New Science of Psychedelics Teaches Us About Consciousness, Dying, Addiction, Depression, and Transcendence by Michael Pollan

Cannabis Chassidis: The Ancient and Emerging Torah of Drugs by Yosef Leib

Thanks, that’s a significant list. TBH I prefer a source about ZSS that discusses this aspect of him, than books about DMT/psychedelics that mention ZSS.

[chevron]

Most of these books mention Zalman Shachter-shalomi

The Psychedelic Handbook: A Practical Guide to Psilocybin, LSD, Ketamine, MDMA, and DMT/Ayahuasca by @Rick Strassman (Release date August 9, 2022 - I can't wait  )

DMT: The Spirit Molecule: A Doctor's Revolutionary Research into the Biology of Near-Death and Mystical Experiences by Rick Strassman

DMT and the Soul of Prophecy: A New Science of Spiritual Revelation in the Hebrew Bible by Rick Strassman
Psychedelic Medicine: The Healing Powers of LSD, MDMA, Psilocybin, and Ayahuasca Written by (Rabbi) Dr. Richard Lewis Miller

The Psychedelic Explorer's Guide: Safe, Therapeutic, and Sacred Journeys by James Fadiman

The Psychedelic Experience by Timothy Leary, Ralph Metzner, and Richard Alpert (Ram Dass)

Food of the Gods: The Search for the Original Tree of Knowledge A Radical History of Plants, Drugs, and Human Evolution by Terence McKenna

Be Here Now by Ram Dass

How to Change Your Mind: What the New Science of Psychedelics Teaches Us About Consciousness, Dying, Addiction, Depression, and Transcendence by Michael Pollan

Cannabis Chassidis: The Ancient and Emerging Torah of Drugs by Yosef Leib

Are you still traumatized about the guy who fell off the roof but Shushan and died on the street?

[Dan]

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/legalized-mushrooms-psychedelics-approved-colorado-voters/story?id=92683879