Lag Baomer in Meron 2022

[YitzyS]

@YitzyS you were the last one I thought would pull the shmad card

I am NOT saying that if I was a posek making this decision I would declare it a shaas hashmad. But I don't think it is unreasonable for a real posek with rock-solid hashkafos (like the Bais Din of the Eidah) to come to that conclusion.

I'm just trying to add this perspective, because many here (and everywhere) have expressed amazement that they would be willing to flout (not flaunt, thank you) the safety rules imposed by the government just one year after a terrible tragedy.

Again, I don't necessarily think it's the case. But I think it's food for thought.

[DealJew]

If anyone has tickets for tonight that they wanna sell please PM me.

[JlmBoi]

. http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/62851b7007b5c/e0dd7147c78549f596f42cf2ad024f4d.mp4

[ExGingi]

Many disagree. Overall, the Brisker belief is that a primary goal of the Zionist government is to destroy yiddishkeit, and they use their power to try to make frum people stop doing mitzvos. I don't know if the Eidah's shittos are the same, but I know they are somewhat aligned.

IDK about Brisk or Eidoh. But Zionism in it's essence is about destroying Yiddishkeit by saying נהיה ככל הגוים בית ישראל and כוחי ועוצם ידי, rather than אין אומתנו אומה אלא בתורתיה and עזרי מעם ה' עושה שמים וארץ.

[TimT]

Again, I don't necessarily think it's the case. But I think it's food for thought.

Never knew you were such a shtarker Brisker.

[JlmBoi]

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[YitzyS]

Never knew you were such a shtarker Brisker.

Just because I am suggesting a way to understand the Eidah, does that mean I'm "such a shtarker Brisker"? (Not that I dislike that title. I just don't think I'm worthy of it.)

Are you a far-left liberal just because you know all the search results of Google? 

[Happyguy]

. http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/62851b7007b5c/e0dd7147c78549f596f42cf2ad024f4d.mp4

Stam a video or is it implying anything sinister that these people managed to get in?

[JlmBoi]

Stam a video or is it implying anything sinister that these people managed to get in?

No just better than the yelling that was happening before.

[TimT]

Just because I am suggesting a way to understand the Eidah, does that mean I'm "such a shtarker Brisker"? (Not that I dislike that title. I just don't think I'm worthy of it.)

Are you a far-left liberal just because you know all the search results of Google? 

If you’re thinking up סברות that even the eida & Brisk didn’t, well….

[YitzyS]

If you’re thinking up סברות that even the eida & Brisk didn’t, well….

What makes you say with certainty that they didn't think of this?

[AsherO]

Most shittos say that in a shas hashmad, even a minhag becomes yeharog ve'al yaavor.

Chilling choice of words in this context R”L

[YitzyS]

Chilling choice of words in this context R”L

When someone dies because he is halachically mandated to do so, it may be tragic that he couldn't live more years, but it is the greatest Kiddush Hashem possible.

[TimT]

What makes you say with certainty that they didn't think of this?

(NOTE: I did not hear this angle from the Eidah, or from anyone else. It's just my thoughts.)

[skyguy918]

I am NOT saying that if I was a posek making this decision I would declare it a shaas hashmad. But I don't think it is unreasonable for a real posek with rock-solid hashkafos (like the Bais Din of the Eidah) to come to that conclusion.

I'm just trying to add this perspective, because many here (and everywhere) have expressed amazement that they would be willing to flout (not flaunt, thank you) the safety rules imposed by the government just one year after a terrible tragedy.

Again, I don't necessarily think it's the case. But I think it's food for thought.

You're horribly misapplying shas hashmad and yaharog v'al yaavor here. In shas hashmad you keep your minhagim even if 'they' will kill you because of it. This is a situation where the minhag may kill you, not 'them'.

[AsherO]

You're horribly misapplying shas hashmad and yaharog v'al yaavor here. In shas hashmad you keep your minhagim even if 'they' will kill you because of it. This is a situation where the minhag may kill you, not 'them'.

Yup, I can’t see how this is similar to the red shoelace. It might very well be a שב ואל תעשה עדיף.

One might argue that what’s happening in Meron could set a precedent, but that’s not the same as שעת השמד FWIU

[Happyguy]

Yup, I can’t see how this is similar to the red shoelace. It might very well be a שב ואל תעשה עדיף.

One might argue that what’s happening in Meron could set a precedent, but that’s not the same as שעת השמד FWIU

One count counter that in this case שב ואל תעשה is making a statement that one agrees with their actions. What does destroying shuls have to do with safety?

[YitzyS]

You're horribly misapplying shas hashmad and yaharog v'al yaavor here. In shas hashmad you keep your minhagim even if 'they' will kill you because of it. This is a situation where the minhag may kill you, not 'them'.

Yup, I can’t see how this is similar to the red shoelace. It might very well be a שב ואל תעשה עדיף.

One might argue that what’s happening in Meron could set a precedent, but that’s not the same as שעת השמד FWIU

I agree that the case is not completely comparable, as the direct threat of death is not coming from the Zionist, but from flooding the mountain. But I think it may still fall under the same halachic directive, to stand up for a minhag when there are those trying to undermine it, even at a threat to personal safety.

I don't want to go in circles here, especially because I don't necessarily agree with the thing I am saying. I merely put it out there as a possible perspective for what the Eidah is doing, though the Eidah does not need me to defend them.

I am not interested in just rehashing this, though I'll try to respond if anyone feels compelled to ask something.

[TimT]

though I'll try to respond if anyone feels compelled to ask something.

start here

because I don't necessarily agree with the thing I am saying.

[yelped]

Somehow I feel like the Chasam Sofer, for example, would laugh you out the door.