Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?

[Welder]

You are not describing dysphoria which is feeling like a boy stuck  in a girls body

What's does feeling like a boy or feeling like a girl mean? It's the personality and characteristics.

[zh cohen]

The link says schizophrenia is a lifelong illness with no cure

There is no cure, but the goal of treatment is to reduce (and hopefully stop) the symptoms.

[Welder]

Interesting points

[ExGingi]

Posting this here because I'm not sure where this belongs.

https://twitter.com/spomboy/status/1648384328219471873?s=20

[ExGingi]

To quote the late Bob Grant "it's sick out there and getting sicker".

https://twitter.com/cernovich/status/1648422303351570432

[ExGingi]

If it wouldn't be sad, it would be funny.

https://babylonbee.com/news/disney-unveils-exciting-new-sodom-and-gomorrah-attraction

[bochur22]

it’s possible gender dysphoria is lifelong as well. I don’t know if the goal of the interactions are anything more than helping them cope as best they can despite the impediment.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyt.2021.632784/full
ETA: https://kffhealthnews.org/morning-breakout/research-on-children-growing-out-of-gender-dysphoria-adds-layer-of-complexity-to-transgender-care/

[EliJelly]

If it wouldn't be sad, it would be funny.

https://babylonbee.com/news/disney-unveils-exciting-new-sodom-and-gomorrah-attraction

TIL, it's Gomorrah, like Gaza and tziganer

[ExGingi]

TIL, it's Gomorrah, like Gaza and tziganer

And until you posted that, I never realized the relationship between the word tzigainer and the Hebrew term צועני.

[bochur22]

According to bccs.org:
“Do not reason, argue, or challenge the delusion. Attempting to disprove the delusion is not helpful and will create mistrust.
Assure the person that they are safe and no harm will come.
Do not leave the person alone – use openness and honesty at all times.
Encourage the person to verbalize feelings of anxiety, fear, and insecurity – offer concern and protection to prevent injury to themselves or others.
Convey acceptance of the need for the false belief.
Focus on building a trusting relationship with the person, rather than the need to control their symptoms – remain calm.”
https://www.bcss.org/support/how-do-i-get-help-for-my-loved-one/steps-working-delusions/
So again, what is your source? Please demonstrate a case of what you define as mental illness where “recognizing their craziness” is acknowledged as harmful. (For schizophrenia, you don’t have to buy into the delusion but it’s helpful for them to believe you are).

While it's not helpful to argue with the delusion of a schizophrenic, there's nothing here  that suggests playing up to the delusion. If someone insists on being shown the respect he deserves as Napoleon, it doesn't suggest that you also add on by shining his shoes without him asking for it. So, suggesting that gender Affirming care is the way to go would need some real empirical evidence behind it.

[neveryou]

https://twitter.com/Project_Veritas/status/1648763456689000448?t=VvITo9Xld5QIr9GvCmYZnQ&s=19

[Definitions]

I'm assuming a lot of people would disagree with me on this. I'm a fan of eugenics. Not of outright killing people but of allowing people to make bad choices that affect reproduction rates. I'm limited by what God allows, which for frum people is nothing. But if in the long-term it will reduce such occurrences. I see that as a positive. This opinion (not exactly the same but similar concept) is in other areas too (i.e. shidduchim)

If it was a close relative and I truly cared about the person my actions wouldn't necessarily reflect this. I don't see that as a contradiction.

[Ver hut gazugt]

I'm assuming a lot of people would disagree with me on this. I'm a fan of eugenics. Not of outright killing people but of allowing people to make bad choices that affect reproduction rates. I'm limited by what God allows, which for frum people is nothing. But if in the long-term it will reduce such occurrences. I see that as a positive. This opinion (not exactly the same but similar concept) is in other areas too (i.e. shidduchim)

If it was a close relative and I truly cared about the person my actions wouldn't necessarily reflect this. I don't see that as a contradiction.

what about hospitals, doctors etc… ?
I think you need to think this through again. This is a very toxic idea, and I see no way for it to be compatible with Torah.

The idea that people with improper beliefs will just die out is flawed. Besides for children people can influence other people so the ideas outlast there own lives and can continue with others.

[AsherO]

I'm assuming a lot of people would disagree with me on this. I'm a fan of eugenics. Not of outright killing people but of allowing people to make bad choices that affect reproduction rates. I'm limited by what God allows, which for frum people is nothing. But if in the long-term it will reduce such occurrences. I see that as a positive. This opinion (not exactly the same but similar concept) is in other areas too (i.e. shidduchim)

If it was a close relative and I truly cared about the person my actions wouldn't necessarily reflect this. I don't see that as a contradiction.

If the issue is social and not genetics, then your solution is a non-starter.

[bochur22]

UNC's Children's hospital used to have a page on their website (Till yesterday).
Here's the text that still shows on google results when one googles "university north carolina gender clinic":
"Our mission is to provide coordinated evidence-based care for gender diverse individuals ages 4-30 years and their families exploring or undergoing gender ..."

The link now says the page doesn't exist. Coincidentally, this was put out this week:
https://www.edfirstnc.org/post/transgender-toddlers-treated-at-duke-unc-and-ecu

I guess transitioning 3 and 4 yr. olds isn't a great PR look. Although I'd say that definitely counts as parents making a choice for their child.

[bochur22]

UCSF starts "social transitions" at age 3. When, of course every kid knows themselves well enough to see what gender they are.
As a bonus, their web page is still up as of now...
https://www.ucsfbenioffchildrens.org/clinics/child-and-adolescent-gender-center
" The CAGC accepts new patients ages 3 through 17. "
ETA: Cinncinati Childrens starts at 5:
https://www.cincinnatichildrens.org/service/a/adolescent-medicine/programs/transgender

[YitzyS]

https://hefkervelt.blogspot.com/2023/05/advocates-address-proposed-changes.html#more

[Alexsei]

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/05/07/the-making-of-an-identity-crisis/

[Alexsei]

https://apnews.com/article/washington-transgender-health-care-minors-parents-296005ba7c084db94e241283067d2dff

[Alexsei]

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