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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1080 on: June 30, 2016, 09:02:02 PM »
I don't really know the details here, and I also don't want to open the Pandora's box again, but it was pretty delusional to believe that the Rebbe's influence will continue to guide the chasidim decades after death.

Clearly his influence even in crown hights is no longer serious enough to prevent such a major thing.

time for a new leader for this generation.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1081 on: June 30, 2016, 09:02:14 PM »
And what? I just made up the crown thing?
Yes

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1082 on: June 30, 2016, 09:25:53 PM »
I also don't want to open the Pandora's box again

FTFY

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1083 on: June 30, 2016, 09:30:34 PM »

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1084 on: June 30, 2016, 09:43:29 PM »
FTFY

Lol, was thinking the same.
Nah, not going to go there.

But really don't get this. What happened to the rebbes influence in the epicenter of the chassidus? Serious question.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1085 on: July 01, 2016, 10:56:42 AM »
Nah, not going to go there.

But really don't get this. What happened to the rebbes influence in the epicenter of the chassidus? Serious question.
While it may be "the rebbe's schunah" real chabad is not there it's with the shluchum.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1086 on: July 01, 2016, 11:08:43 AM »
I don't really know the details here, and I also don't want to open the Pandora's box again, but it was pretty delusional to believe that the Rebbe's influence will continue to guide the chasidim decades after death.

Clearly his influence even in crown hights is no longer serious enough to prevent such a major thing.

time for a new leader for this generation.
You're nuts.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1087 on: July 01, 2016, 11:19:30 AM »
You lost me at...

I don't really know the details here

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1088 on: July 01, 2016, 11:46:10 AM »
I don't really know the details here, and I also don't want to open the Pandora's box again, but it was pretty delusional to believe that the Rebbe's influence will continue to guide the chasidim decades after death.

Clearly his influence even in crown hights is no longer serious enough to prevent such a major thing.

time for a new leader for this generation.
On the contrary. The fact that 99% are up in arms about 1% of CH residents who have decided not to identify as Lubavitch and to violate the instructions of all local Rabbis shows how strong the Rebbe's influence is decades after 3 Tammuz.

Nah, not going to go there.

But really don't get this. What happened to the rebbes influence in the epicenter of the chassidus? Serious question.

See above.
While it may be "the rebbe's schunah" real chabad is not there it's with the shluchum.
I personally see that as a major misconception, shlichus is only one part of chabad. People think that Lubavitch have left the Torah world but they're still "okay" because the Shluchim do wonderful work. If you would only watch videos of the Rebbe's Farbrengen's, learn the Rebbe's Sichos, read the Rebbe's letters etc., you would see how much the Rebbe Shturemed about Limud HaTorah Bishkido VeHasmada.

And yes, although it doesn't make the headlines in the frum magazines and websites, there are countless Talmidei Chachamim in the world of Chabad who can have an equal conversation with counterparts in the Chassidish and Litvish crowds.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1089 on: July 01, 2016, 11:47:16 AM »

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1090 on: July 01, 2016, 11:51:14 AM »
I don't really know the details here, and I also don't want to open the Pandora's box again, but it was pretty delusional to believe that the Rebbe's influence will continue to guide the chasidim decades after death.

Clearly his influence even in crown hights is no longer serious enough to prevent such a major thing.

time for a new leader for this generation.
Yes, because a handful (relative to the Jewish population of Crown Heights) of self-identified non Lubavitchers put up an eruv (which is not according to the psak of the Alter Rebbe) against the wishes of thousands of Chabad families. An oft disagreeing community united primarily because the Rebbe didn't want an eruv. Yes, sure seems he has no influence.

This very situation leads to an entirely different conclusion, but your admitted ignorance doesn't stop you from spouting pre-conceived notions you know people here will find abhorrent.

ETA: on tappa, so I hadn't seen I was repeating MeirS's less sarcastic response.
« Last Edit: July 01, 2016, 11:55:26 AM by Yehuda57 »
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1091 on: July 01, 2016, 01:38:07 PM »
Ok apologies for any hurt feelings. I didn't realize that this was a group of non chabbad. I didn't even know that there are non chabadskers living in CH...

PS, y'all are really sensitive.


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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1092 on: July 01, 2016, 01:40:56 PM »
PS, y'all are really sensitive.

Relatively sensitive to your (relative) callousness...

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1093 on: July 01, 2016, 01:42:33 PM »
There's an easy solution.

Just don't be mezakeh any of the box of matza to anyone who is chabad.  Then there's an eruv for everyone else only.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1094 on: July 01, 2016, 01:49:07 PM »
There's an easy solution.

Just don't be mezakeh any of the box of matza to anyone who is chabad.  Then there's an eruv for everyone else only.
LOL go try to get them to do bitul reshus. while you are at it just do schiras reshus on their part
Feelings don't care about your facts