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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1245 on: July 26, 2017, 10:04:27 AM »
The yellow flag contingent does make good Felafel in Tokyo and have lots of eateries in Mexico, but other than that, not much.
Chabad in Tzfas and its environs is...interesting.
So that's what Chabad's contribution to world Jewry is all about? Restaurants?

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1246 on: July 26, 2017, 10:09:51 AM »
So that's what Chabad's contribution to world Jewry is all about? Restaurants?
Didn't say that at all. But that's all I've seen worthwhile from yellow flag unofficial chabad houses across the globe :P
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1247 on: July 26, 2017, 10:14:33 AM »
Chabad in Tzfas and its environs is...interesting.

Many Jewish people in Tzfas and its environs are ... interesting. I'm no sociologist or anythingist, but I'd wager the "interestingness" has more to do with Israeli culture/water/air/ptsd than Chabad or any other ideology.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1248 on: July 26, 2017, 10:14:35 AM »
What is "yellow flag"?

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1249 on: July 26, 2017, 10:15:55 AM »
Many Jewish people in Tzfas and its environs are ... interesting. I'm no sociologist or anythingist, but I'd wager the "interestingness" has more to do with Israeli culture/water/air/ptsd than Chabad or any other ideology.
True.
Gotta be the water.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1251 on: July 26, 2017, 10:20:57 AM »
What is "yellow flag"?

A real yellow flag is brown. Cue aygart's "no true Scotsman"
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1253 on: July 26, 2017, 10:25:43 AM »
What is "yellow flag"?

A "yellow flag" is a much more meaningful differentiator of "sects" within Lubavitch than any other meaningless label I've seen thrown around here.

For example R' Yoel Kahan (I was going to write that as RY"K, but that could also refer to someone else) believes the Rebbe is alive (to use his own words: "..לא יתיר ולא שמתיר" will post a link when I find it and have a moment), and that he IS moshiach (there's a famous documentary done for Israeli TV regarding "Messianism in Lubavitch" that IIRC starts off with an excerpt from an interview with his Rebbetzin, where she insists that the reporter acknowledges that she is CERTAIN that the Rebbe is Moshiach), yet he does not bear a "yellow flag" and AFAIK might be opposed to it.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1254 on: July 26, 2017, 10:31:39 AM »
Ok, I googled to see what yellow flag is, and pulled up this http://www.frumsatire.net/2013/03/12/how-to-tell-if-your-local-chabad-rabbi-believes-that-the-rebbe-is-moshiach/

... which links back to this thread on ddf, in the comments   ;D
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1255 on: July 26, 2017, 10:33:01 AM »
Didn't say that at all. But that's all I've seen worthwhile from yellow flag unofficial chabad houses across the globe :P

I'll just repost what I already said earlier in the thread
It's also easier to flat out, blanketly, denounce a whole group of people whose ideology you disagree with than to recognize what they are doing right. :)

It just happens to be, that generally speaking, the "flaggers" are amongst the most dedicated to learning and mivtzoim and "the Rebbe's inyonim" in general. Of course there are exceptions, but if you look at the average "flagger" bochur you'll find that to be the case.

I have plenty of problems with them and what they do, but I can also recognize what they do right.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1256 on: July 26, 2017, 10:37:00 AM »
It's also easier to flat out, blanketly, denounce a whole group of people whose ideology you disagree with than to recognize what they are doing right. :)

It just happens to be, that generally speaking, the "flaggers" are amongst the most dedicated to learning and mivtzoim and "the Rebbe's inyonim" in general. Of course there are exceptions, but if you look at the average "flagger" bochur you'll find that to be the case.

I have plenty of problems with them and what they do, but I can also recognize what they do right.
As one "Chabadsker" to another, this is the point in the farbrengen at which I would throw potato salad at your face.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1257 on: July 26, 2017, 10:40:30 AM »
Ok, I googled to see what yellow flag is, and pulled up this http://www.frumsatire.net/2013/03/12/how-to-tell-if-your-local-chabad-rabbi-believes-that-the-rebbe-is-moshiach/

I wonder how the author of that article would interpret the calendar which I am involved in publishing in Crown Heights.  ;)
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1258 on: July 26, 2017, 10:52:03 AM »
I recently moved to Kiryat Shmuel in Haifa. I believe that whatever started in Tzfat has completely taken over this area of Haifa. Dozens of dozens of Lubavitch walk around with Yechi Yarmulkas and all the literature here says shlita on it. Kind of freaks me out but Chabad has done so much for world Jewry tough for me to take a stance.
My first time in Israel helped me understand why people hate Chabad, they be crazy there. Every overpass with a bumper sticker of the rebbe on it, is just shameful.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1259 on: July 26, 2017, 03:44:13 PM »
http://m.ynet.co.il/Articles/4993717

A link someone just sent me discussing same book. Haven't yet had a chance to watch the entire thing.
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