The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live

[avromie7]

God deciding who lives and dies does not mean we shouldn't be doing what is required by halacha, such as having a Dr as you say. what about running out on shabbos? There was a time when some rabbonim did not want any hatzalahs to operate on shabbos...

This DR requirement needs to be unpacked more to understand the svaras behind it and how it applies to having local EMS. One could certainly argue that EMS knowledge of medicine nowadays is greater than DR's 1000 years ago.

If the Dr requirement doesn't apply to EMS, there is definitely no halachik need for hatzalah. We are obviously working with the assumption that it does apply, so the question is at what point is the local EMS insufficient. I can't see how hatzalah would be required in a city with local EMS response times of 1 minute.

[ben89]

And I understand the need for that in a city where it would take 20 minutes otherwise.

But in a city that has ridiculously fast response times, is this the best use of community resources?
Maybe it is and we've been missing out for years, but the question is fair.

IME it took 4 minutes for them to come in CH

[yfr bachur]

I'm very hesitant to argue on RNTF, or any Rav for that matter. However in my 12 years by my yeshiva which has an AED as well, it was also never used.

Unless you're in BMG, thats apples to oranges.

[S209]

There is no argument that EMS knowledge of medicine nowadays is many orders of magnitude greater than DR's 100 years ago.

FTFY

ETA: See attached

[Dan]

IME it took 4 minutes for them to come in CH

That's not too bad.

[YitzyS]

That's not too bad.

Indeed, especially for a place where they can't drive because they are drinking vodka all day... 

[Dan]

Indeed, especially for a place where they can't drive because they are drinking vodka all day... 

Wrong CH.

[Yehuda57]

Wrong CH.

Look who's actually ad dlo yoda

[Yehuda57]

Indeed, especially for a place where they can't drive because they are drinking vodka all day... 

You're going to say this was a joke and you didn't mean it, but enough with the slander against an entire community. Stop with the hatred and mockery already. The idea that the entire neighborhood of thousands of people is drunk on vodka all day is ridiculous. It may seem like a big funny joke to you, but it is embarrassing, and it's high time you stopped with this libelous trope. We do not drink vodka all day. These days, it's probably tequila.

[mevinyavin]

There's a Mir legend that someone once offered to donate AEDs for all the batei medrashim in the Mir.
RNTFs response: hard pass. If they are there, they will get use. (not a direct quote!) maybe @mevinyavin remembers more details?

Agav, in my 12 years in the Mir, I never ever heard of anyone needing CPR while on the yeshiva campus.

Never heard this one. Although I also never heard of anyone needing CPR. We do have lots of doctors learning in the various batei midrashim, though. (The one I learn in has two doctors and three hatzala members - out of something like 50?)

[YitzyS]

Wrong CH.

Wow, that's impressive! To get from Crown Heights to Cleveland Heights in 4 minutes a little fast even on Hatzolah standards.

[YitzyS]

You're going to say this was a joke and you didn't mean it, but enough with the slander against an entire community. Stop with the hatred and mockery already. The idea that the entire neighborhood of thousands of people is drunk on vodka all day is ridiculous. It may seem like a big funny joke to you, but it is embarrassing, and it's high time you stopped with this libelous trope. We do not drink vodka all day. These days, it's probably tequila.

On a serious note, the only way I know that there is anything about Chabad and vodka is because I've heard it in jokes told over by Lubabvitchers.

One of my favorite jokes about it is when someone sees a Lubabvicher taking shot after shot of vodka and wonders aloud how he can do it, didn't he rebbe make a takanah that every person may only have one shot? To which the man responds, "Indeed, every person may only have one shot. But after a shot of vodka, I'm a new person!"

[Yehuda57]

On a serious note, the only way I know that there is anything about Chabad and vodka is because I've heard it in jokes told over by Lubabvitchers.

One of my favorite jokes about it is when someone sees a Lubabvicher taking shot after shot of vodka and wonders aloud how he can do it, didn't he rebbe make a takanah that every person may only have one shot? To which the man responds, "Indeed, every person may only have one shot. But after a shot of vodka, I'm a new person!"

Yo, I have been hearing excuses for decades and I've never heard that one

[chinagel]

You're going to say this was a joke and you didn't mean it, but enough with the slander against an entire community. Stop with the hatred and mockery already. The idea that the entire neighborhood of thousands of people is drunk on vodka all day is ridiculous. It may seem like a big funny joke to you, but it is embarrassing, and it's high time you stopped with this libelous trope. We do not drink vodka all day. These days, it's probably tequila.

Someone was telling R Dovid Soloveitchik the story of how a beggar wasn't happy with R Chaim Brisker's donation of a Ruble. he bent it in half to scare R Chaim. R Chaim took the ruble and bent it back straight. The whole time R Dovid was shaking his head like it never happened. The storyteller asked "it never happened?". R Dovid replied "It wasn't a ruble, it was a zloty!".

[holyland]

Just read this great line:

"America has only three cities: New York, San Francisco, and New Orleans. Everywhere else is Cleveland."

Theres truth there. Very few cities provide something truly different. The rest are the same in more ways than they are different.

Ofcourse you can highlight differences, but how many cities are truly one of a kind vs similar enough? Very few.

[JMHO]

Just read this great line:

"America has only three cities: New York, San Francisco, and New Orleans. Everywhere else is Cleveland."

Theres truth there. Very few cities provide something truly different. The rest are the same in more ways than they are different.

Ofcourse you can highlight differences, but how many cities are truly one of a kind vs similar enough? Very few.

Three cities but many 'countries'!

[jj1000]

Just read this great line:

"America has only three cities: New York, San Francisco, and New Orleans. Everywhere else is Cleveland."

Theres truth there. Very few cities provide something truly different. The rest are the same in more ways than they are different.

Ofcourse you can highlight differences, but how many cities are truly one of a kind vs similar enough? Very few.

Spoken like someone who has never left one fo those cities, and I'll let you figure out which one...

[Dan]

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[Dan]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CytFb10Pufu/

[WayBackMachine]

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great for Brooklyn