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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #660 on: December 07, 2015, 07:28:56 PM »
At least according to the signers on the poster he has been disqualified from dealing with gittin. So according to them at least, "so much for all the expertise."
Would he still retain the title "rav" according to them?

Unless you have some evidence that OP is in fact a signatory on that letter, your question is irrelevant.
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #661 on: December 07, 2015, 07:35:38 PM »


and yet none of the signers( who many of them im assumingy ou have never either heard of but are conveniently on the "right side" ) referred to him as NG ..... if you want to  be the fist than all i can say is youre suffering from a overdose of self esteem and you might want to ask mechila brabim ... talking about rabbis like that can only cause you problems

You're talking to the wrong guy

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #662 on: December 07, 2015, 07:37:04 PM »
A not so well known fact is that for a short time rav yoshe ber Soloveitchik had a Kollel in Boston.  I think it was before he was involved with YU.
There were some very choshuve members of that Kollel. The only ones I recall right now are rav chaim pinchas sheinberg and יבל״ח rav nota.
My point is just that if the yeshiveshers want to bash him they can talk about him being a talmid of Rav Soloveitchik  :P

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #663 on: December 07, 2015, 07:41:44 PM »
as a little reminder korach also thought that his machlokes was lshem shomayim and he wasnt an am haretz but one of the leaders of klal yisroel and we all know the way that story ended
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #664 on: December 07, 2015, 07:53:59 PM »
The question is until when does Rabbi's Greenblatt & Kaminetsky get the benefit of the doubt? If they have done nothing wrong with nothing to hide why has there been no explanation?

They don't owe me or you anything as has been mentioned they are much bigger than any of us here are - but there have been over a dozen letters from the biggest Rabonim & Poskim coming out against what has been done and yet not a word to defend it?

So I ask you until when do they get the benefit of the doubt? Would it be ok with you if no explanation is ever given?
They certainly don't owe anyone here an explanation and they dint have to put out public letters bc others are putting out letters.  Who says they haven't explained their opinions to whom ever they feel is necessary.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #665 on: December 07, 2015, 08:01:29 PM »
They certainly don't owe anyone here an explanation and they dint have to put out public letters bc others are putting out letters.  Who says they haven't explained their opinions to whom ever they feel is necessary.
Before we get carried away with misinformation. R Shmuel has denied involvement and Rabbi Greenblatt has clarified that his position was merely to rely on R Sholom. - he has been attacked for what he himself says that he did. He has been asked to retract, not to simply explain.
People are waiting for a retraction. Not an explanation.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #666 on: December 07, 2015, 08:03:14 PM »
They certainly don't owe anyone here an explanation and they dint have to put out public letters bc others are putting out letters.  Who says they haven't explained their opinions to whom ever they feel is necessary.
The letter from Rav Chaim Kanievsky signed with Rav Karelitz says that a women who has a "chezkas Eishes Ish" cannot be removed from that chazaka except with a clear explanation from a reliable Bais Din. And no person is believed to say that she is permitted to remarry.

In other words you are wrong. There is no such thing as a secret psak to be matir an Eishes Ish

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #667 on: December 07, 2015, 08:04:19 PM »


A not so well known fact is that for a short time rav yoshe ber Soloveitchik had a Kollel in Boston.  I think it was before he was involved with YU.
There were some very choshuve members of that Kollel. The only ones I recall right now are rav chaim pinchas sheinberg and יבל״ח rav nota.
My point is just that if the yeshiveshers want to bash him they can talk about him being a talmid of Rav Soloveitchik 

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #668 on: December 07, 2015, 08:23:26 PM »
as a little reminder korach also thought that his machlokes was lshem shomayim and he wasnt an am haretz but one of the leaders of klal yisroel and we all know the way that story ended

Not sure what the point of this post is.  If you're comparing R' Nota to Korach, I don't even...  If you're not, your post if useless incitement.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #669 on: December 07, 2015, 09:34:06 PM »
The longer NG is in hiding and refuses to retract, the harsher the letters are getting. I'm assuming a cherem is not far.
He is being condemned by renowned poskim from ALL stripes.
You are a fat mechutzef. How dare you not place a "Rav" in front of his name? Shame on you!
Even the mochim call him Harav N. G.

And btw, RNG did put out a statement on the matter a few weeks ago already.

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #670 on: December 07, 2015, 09:36:15 PM »
im comparing  all the people over here that are bashing gedolim to korach if you remember the story he did something very similar . my basic point is that its possible to have a discussion  without for example calling R' Nota  "NG" and other similar  comments
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #671 on: December 07, 2015, 09:38:54 PM »
In the realm of gittin, it would be impossible not to have heard of him.  He is clearly the foremost expert on gittin in the U.S.
Indeed
Could be. But personally I never heard of him until now. I had heard lots about R Efrayim Greenblatt though.
That's his son.
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #672 on: December 07, 2015, 09:41:24 PM »
IndeedThat's his son.
Actually his nephew

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #673 on: December 07, 2015, 09:48:49 PM »
Actually his nephew

Correct. R' Ephraim is the Riv'vos Ephraim.
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #674 on: December 07, 2015, 10:17:26 PM »
There's no Wikipedia page on him. Where did he learn besides the Boston kollel?

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #675 on: December 07, 2015, 10:19:28 PM »
Actually his nephew
He's R Ephraim's uncle?

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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #678 on: December 07, 2015, 10:25:44 PM »
I thought you were asking about R' Ephraim.  Either way, like R' Ephraim, the pedigree of Rav Nota is beyond reproach. I will not pander to the lowest common denominator by offering up "his credentials" in this zoo.
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Re: The Tamar Epstein Saga
« Reply #679 on: December 07, 2015, 10:33:21 PM »
He's R Ephraim's uncle?
Rav Nota is Rav Ephraim's uncle.
He is known in all circles as America's #1 expert in Even Ha'Ezer.
He's a Rav for 50+ years