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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4380 on: March 07, 2024, 12:24:28 AM »
Curious if this is indeed true that they are considered equally top (learning wise) to places that donít. (I donít know any of these places personally)
Philly is.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4381 on: March 07, 2024, 12:24:33 AM »
Curious if this is indeed true that they are considered equally top (learning wise) to places that donít. (I donít know any of these places personally)
This is from what I hear second hand; I had a nephew in the parsha this year.

But who knows how it actually is on the ground. We know how a "shem" can mean absolutely nothing.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4382 on: March 07, 2024, 12:35:34 AM »
Philly is.
I donít think they have a secular studies program on par with Chofetz Chaim.

Iíd be curious to know if any graduate from there would tell you that they received a robust secular education.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4383 on: March 07, 2024, 12:38:08 AM »
I have a son in 2nd grade, and I hope that trend reverts back to having good general studies by the time he's in mesivta.

I think it's very challenging to find teachers

I'm honestly thinking of moving simply to find an elementary school that takes its English seriously enough that kids finish on par with 8th graders from OOT communities. It's embarrassing.

Maybe I'll open my own school🤷‍♂️
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4384 on: March 07, 2024, 12:39:25 AM »
I'm honestly thinking of moving simply to find an elementary school that takes its English seriously enough that kids finish on par with 8th graders from OOT communities. It's embarrassing.

Maybe I'll open my own school🤷‍♂️
Is it more embarrassing than the discrepancies between OOT and Lakewood in לימודי קודש?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4385 on: March 07, 2024, 12:41:49 AM »
Is it more embarrassing than the discrepancies between OOT and Lakewood in לימודי קודש?

As someone who has tons of friends from OOT, they were on par with Lakewood in Limudei Kodesh.

In fact, I've heard that Philly has started to limit Lakewood boys simply because they are so behind in many skills....
Meanwhile they are taking from Modern places like YBH in Passaic.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4386 on: March 07, 2024, 12:42:41 AM »
I have a son in 2nd grade, and I hope that trend reverts back to having good general studies by the time he's in mesivta.

I think it's very challenging to find teachers

Hope is useless.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4387 on: March 07, 2024, 12:43:59 AM »
As someone who has tons of friends from OOT, they were on par with Lakewood in Limudei Kodesh.

In fact, I've heard that Philly has started to limit Lakewood boys simply because they are so behind in many skills....
Meanwhile they are taking from Modern places like YBH in Passaic.
Philly isnít turning down boys due to their lack of geography skills lol. They always try to aim for a lot of OOT

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4388 on: March 07, 2024, 12:45:25 AM »
As someone who has tons of friends from OOT, they were on par with Lakewood in Limudei Kodesh.
This hasnít been my experience at all. Perhaps depends on what youíre calling OOT.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4389 on: March 07, 2024, 12:46:12 AM »
This hasnít been my experience at all. Perhaps depends on what youíre calling OOT.

Brooklyn, Passaic... not modox
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4390 on: March 07, 2024, 12:46:55 AM »
Philly isnít turning down boys due to their lack of geography skills lol. They always try to aim for a lot of OOT

Because lakewood kids ate behind in many basic skills
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4391 on: March 07, 2024, 12:52:17 AM »
I donít think they have a secular studies program on par with Chofetz Chaim.

Iíd be curious to know if any graduate from there would tell you that they received a robust secular education.
What do you think it is like at Chofetz Chaim or Torah Vodaas? What do you call robust?
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4392 on: March 07, 2024, 12:54:20 AM »
Philly isnít turning down boys due to their lack of geography skills lol. They always try to aim for a lot of OOT
But maybe for our language skills and some for inability to express any thought clearly in any language at all or mix thereof.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4393 on: March 07, 2024, 12:58:25 AM »
But maybe for our language skills and some for inability to express any thought clearly in any language at all or mix thereof.
Maybe, hard to believe.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4394 on: March 07, 2024, 12:59:26 AM »
What do you think it is like at Chofetz Chaim or Torah Vodaas? What do you call robust?
I think the student body is actually interested and sees value in mastering the subjects.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4395 on: March 07, 2024, 04:27:58 AM »
This seems very normal.....

Our town has officially lost its mind.

Do you think there's an audience in Lakewood for an elementary school or mesivta that takes General Studies seriously?

On par with Chofetz Chaim, Torah Vídaas or YBH?

I'm honestly thinking of moving simply to find an elementary school that takes its English seriously enough that kids finish on par with 8th graders from OOT communities. It's embarrassing.

Maybe I'll open my own school.
If you live in lkwd, way does your location say Israel??!??

Regarding your question, you shouldnít be bashing lkwd schools as a whole, as there are elementary schools that have a robust/solid English department, though your child may not get accepted into the school.
Besides, you have to decide if the main thing your looking for in a school is itís English department or the לימודי קודש, as sometimes (though not always) itís one or the other.
Also, you should be thinking about where your child will fit in better, have better friends (same type of hashkafos) and walk out after graduating 8th grade as a happy, healthy young man ready [to take on the world!] to enter high school.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4396 on: March 07, 2024, 06:40:46 AM »
If you live in lkwd, way does your location say Israel??!??
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4397 on: March 07, 2024, 07:59:02 AM »
If you live in lkwd, way does your location say Israel??!??

Regarding your question, you shouldnít be bashing lkwd schools as a whole, as there are elementary schools that have a robust/solid English department, though your child may not get accepted into the school.
Besides, you have to decide if the main thing your looking for in a school is itís English department or the לימודי קודש, as sometimes (though not always) itís one or the other.
Also, you should be thinking about where your child will fit in better, have better friends (same type of hashkafos) and walk out after graduating 8th grade as a happy, healthy young man ready [to take on the world!] to enter high school.

I moved and never updated. It's not a great conspiracy.

The bafflement suggests you learnt critical thinking in Lakewood schools...

Which schools have a strong department? That the Hanhala and the rebbeim and thenstudent body are machshav English and it's not viewed as some big game?
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4398 on: March 07, 2024, 09:45:06 AM »
I moved and never updated. It's not a great conspiracy.

The bafflement suggests you learnt critical thinking in Lakewood schools...

Which schools have a strong department? That the Hanhala and the rebbeim and thenstudent body are machshav English and it's not viewed as some big game?

Just wondering......What compelled you to move to Lakewood?

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #4399 on: March 07, 2024, 10:03:38 AM »
I moved and never updated. It's not a great conspiracy.

The bafflement suggests you learnt critical thinking in Lakewood schools...

Which schools have a strong department? That the Hanhala and the rebbeim and thenstudent body are machshav English and it's not viewed as some big game?

I BH have/had kids in boys elementary, boys high school, girls elementary and girls high school in Lakewood.
My boys elementary school has a very decent general studies department and while it does get a little challenging in the upper elementary grades, the hanhala is very on top of it and overall the kids learn. I don't think they graduate at a lower level than the typical Brooklyn yeshivos. 
Boys mesivtos are a different story. My experience is limited to one mesivta which is high level in limudei kodesh and has a sort of outsourced  general studies dept. It is totally up to the kid and his parents to opt in or out. The benefit is that for the most part, kids who opt in are interested in gaining the knowledge and take it (semi) seriously.