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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1160 on: May 18, 2023, 12:47:24 PM »
Right. What I mean is he quite possibly didn't even lose the $70k (assuming it was a real phishing scam) as it is quite common for a bank to place a wire to a new beneficiary in a queue that requires verbal confirmation before being processed.
for me I use boa as well. Never needed more then phone confirmation. And I send similar size wires to suppliers. This screen shot was Likely right after he sent the payment or within 24 hours.
I may be wrong I am only conveying my experience.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1161 on: May 18, 2023, 12:54:51 PM »
I dont think 90k was the issue to close the program... He wasnt booked out and making a program at that point wasnt profitable

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1162 on: May 18, 2023, 12:59:08 PM »
So a lying אנזעצער was also scammed.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1163 on: May 18, 2023, 01:04:50 PM »
They'll probably sue for more damages for spoiled room inventory.
IF they think they can actually collect anyhing from him.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1164 on: May 18, 2023, 01:06:22 PM »
IF they think they can actually collect anyhing from him.
Seems highly unlikely.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1165 on: May 18, 2023, 01:06:37 PM »
I dont think 90k was the issue to close the program... He wasnt booked out and making a program at that point wasnt profitable
Of course.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1166 on: May 18, 2023, 01:22:49 PM »
Seems highly unlikely.
Plus, I just noticed that the hotel’s receipt is addressed to ‘Aryeh Chessed Fund’. Unless they have reason to think there are assets in that entity, or there was a personal guarantee or indemnity in the contract, it might just not be worth their time and money to sue.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1167 on: May 18, 2023, 01:24:37 PM »
it might just not be worth their time and money to sue.
True.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1168 on: May 18, 2023, 01:26:30 PM »
Time to split the thread?

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1169 on: May 18, 2023, 03:37:51 PM »
I'm a little surprised that nobody has done this by now, but as per my Rov, I'll share just the timeline as shown from screenshots that Heshy himself shared for the world to see and everyone can decide for themselves if they should go into future business with him without commentary from me.

If you find any errors in the transcription of what the screenshots show or any missing screenshots, please post.

Is there any chance he’s innocent ? There was a post on LinkedIn before that made it look like he’s innocent
I know all the facts are there from what people saw/heard, but I also happen to know he’s a very nice person from speaking to him and helped others
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1170 on: May 18, 2023, 03:41:39 PM »
Is there any chance he’s innocent ? There was a post on LinkedIn before that made it look like he’s innocent
I know all the facts are there from what people saw/heard, but I also happen to know he’s a very nice person from speaking to him and helped others
Well, if he's very nice I'm sure he'll pay everyone back like he promised he would immediately after Pesach.

At any rate, I didn't offer any judgement. I just laid out the facts as he presented them.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1171 on: May 18, 2023, 03:54:11 PM »
Is there any chance he’s innocent ? There was a post on LinkedIn before that made it look like he’s innocent
I know all the facts are there from what people saw/heard, but I also happen to know he’s a very nice person from speaking to him and helped others
innocent of what?

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1172 on: May 18, 2023, 03:55:22 PM »
for me I use boa as well. Never needed more then phone confirmation. And I send similar size wires to suppliers. This screen shot was Likely right after he sent the payment or within 24 hours.
I may be wrong I am only conveying my experience.
You're right. All I'm saying is we didn't see any proof he actually sent the $70k to the scammers. Perhaps when the bank called them and asked their typical line "Did you verbally confirm the bank account information with the vendor" they said no and the wire didn't end up going through? What do I know.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1173 on: May 18, 2023, 03:55:43 PM »
In a number of "phishing" emails, including the very first one, it looks like Jeff & Shari from Claridge were CC'ed.

Did Jeff/Shari not notice something wrong? Did they not speak up? There's something still missing here.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1174 on: May 18, 2023, 03:57:29 PM »
In a number of "phishing" emails, including the very first one, it looks like Jeff & Shari from Claridge were CC'ed.

Did Jeff/Shari not notice something wrong? Did they not speak up? There's something still missing here.
Do you see their email addresses? All I see is their name which a decent scammer would include as they're following a chain. You just create 2 more scammy emails and replace the legitimate ones.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1175 on: May 18, 2023, 05:32:06 PM »
Do you see their email addresses? All I see is their name which a decent scammer would include as they're following a chain. You just create 2 more scammy emails and replace the legitimate ones.
Looks like fake Jeff CC'd real Shari (at least once) (although is that part forgeable as well?)


3/30/23
Phisher emails that they haven't heard a word about payments:






ETA
In a number of "phishing" emails, including the very first one, it looks like Jeff & Shari from Claridge were CC'ed.

Did Jeff/Shari not notice something wrong? Did they not speak up? There's something still missing here.
I think there was only one instance of 2 Jeff's on the email, the first, any other's I missed? (the name, don't think email was expanded like in image above)
« Last Edit: May 18, 2023, 05:38:23 PM by dm123 »

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1176 on: May 18, 2023, 05:42:52 PM »
Looks like fake Jeff CC'd real Shari (at least once) (although is that part forgeable as well?)

Was in middle of responding with this.

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ETA I think there was only one instance of 2 Jeff's on the email, the first, any other's I missed? (the name, don't think email was expanded like in image above)

That's what it looks like. That's why it looks like a mistake using a reply all. Although would like to mention - apparently there's 2 Jeff's - Jeff Marshall, and Jeff Sands. I'm assuming it was Jeff Sands that was CC'ed (or fake CC'ed).

Also Dan comments -

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3/3/23 at 1:33pm:
First phishing email from claridger.com, asking to note new wire address. The previous conversation from the actual hotel is embedded into the email, so the phishers had access to all previous emails:
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1177 on: May 18, 2023, 07:04:49 PM »
Major point. When was the screenshot taken? Does he always take a screenshot of the wire before it is complete?
sometimes when sending wires I will send a bank receipt ( screen shot is one way to do that) to the supplier showing I sent the wire.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1178 on: May 18, 2023, 07:32:23 PM »
Dan, you said you asked Bais Din Maishorim whether you should/ are allowed to publicize this.
What did they pasken?

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1179 on: May 18, 2023, 07:54:25 PM »
Dan, you said you asked Bais Din Maishorim whether you should/ are allowed to publicize this.
What did they pasken?
I spoke to them several times, but didn't receive a psak either way. They were mainly concerned over whether this would qualify for a heter arkaos and whether people might trust him in the future that would make it a toeles.

Having spent enough time trying to chase that down, my own rav told me that I could repost anything that he already shared.
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