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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1060 on: April 26, 2023, 12:13:45 PM »
The way I understood it he was saying that those who had insurance will not get a penny back from him since they were already reimbursed.

Why should people get back from insurance and from him?
@Moshe Green why should it be different ?
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1062 on: April 26, 2023, 12:37:50 PM »
Why should people get back from insurance and from him?
@Moshe Green why should it be different ?
Listen. To. The. Podcasts.
It's extremely clear what happened.
This was also discussed over 20 pages in Dan's Deals. Read them.
You don't have to agree with other's interpretation of the podcasts, but most people seem to understand that HG is the scammer.

Next.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1063 on: April 26, 2023, 12:47:00 PM »
Listen. To. The. Podcasts.
It's extremely clear what happened.
This was also discussed over 20 pages in Dan's Deals. Read them.
You don't have to agree with other's interpretation of the podcasts, but most people seem to understand that HG is the scammer.

Next.


Most people would understand that HG is a scammer ?
So that means it’s not 100% proven
So you are ruining someone’s life based on a 99% sure ?
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1064 on: April 26, 2023, 12:59:07 PM »
Most people would understand that HG is a scammer ?
So that means it’s not 100% proven
So you are ruining someone’s life based on a 99% sure ?
No, most people have brains in their head so they understand what happened. 100%.
Some don't and thus they are still unsure. They are only 99% sure.
You can choose which camp you belong to.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1065 on: April 26, 2023, 01:10:16 PM »
No, most people have brains in their head so they understand what happened. 100%.
Some don't and thus they are still unsure. They are only 99% sure.
You can choose which camp you belong to.
Pease don't make this personal... Relax

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1066 on: April 26, 2023, 01:23:53 PM »
No, most people have brains in their head so they understand what happened. 100%.
Some don't and thus they are still unsure. They are only 99% sure.
You can choose which camp you belong to.

So you would be your life that he stole ?
Because you are betting HG’s life
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1067 on: April 26, 2023, 01:27:01 PM »
Is there any reason why the HG/Claridger et al fiasco hasn't been split into its own thread by this point?
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1068 on: April 26, 2023, 01:31:22 PM »
Is there any reason why the HG/Claridger et al fiasco hasn't been split into its own thread by this point?

Because many of the issues are about pesach programs in general and not only HG?
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1069 on: April 26, 2023, 01:38:05 PM »
Because many of the issues are about pesach programs in general and not only HG?

Indeed, but it has become so lengthy and detailed, that it might be more beneficial to split it up (and maintain a reference pointer to the split thread, possibly even summarizing the issues).
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1070 on: April 26, 2023, 01:38:27 PM »
So you would be your life that he stole ?
Because you are betting HG’s life
Is it not considered stealing, if you take $ from people inreturn for a service, and you do not provide said service? No one is disputing that this happened

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1071 on: April 26, 2023, 01:38:45 PM »
The way I understood it he was saying that those who had insurance will not get a penny back from him since they were already reimbursed.

So that's insurance fraud

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1072 on: April 26, 2023, 01:40:31 PM »
Indeed, but it has become so lengthy and detailed, that it might be more beneficial to split it up (and maintain a reference pointer to the split thread, possibly even summarizing the issues).

That loses the PSA benefit.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1073 on: April 26, 2023, 01:40:51 PM »
Is it not considered stealing, if you take $ from people inreturn for a service, and you do not provide said service? No one is disputing that this happened

He said he is returning the $
The question was did he scam everyone and he is lying ?

Anyone know the results of the lie detector test ?
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1074 on: April 26, 2023, 01:51:00 PM »
Because the OP started this thread about issues surrounding pesach programs in general and not only HG?
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1075 on: April 26, 2023, 01:51:25 PM »
He said he is returning the $
The question was did he scam everyone and he is lying ?

Anyone know the results of the lie detector test ?
What can I buy with him "saying he will return the money"? Until he returns it, he is stealing. No one agreed to loan him money

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1076 on: April 26, 2023, 01:54:32 PM »
What can I buy with him "saying he will return the money"? Until he returns it, he is stealing. No one agreed to loan him money

Different scenario
He collected 300k
That 300k went to Nigeria

Is it titled as stealing ? Yes he owes the money
But you’re saying every business transaction that doesn’t turn into a profit is stealing.
Does he have the money now ? How was he going to pay the hotel to honor the contract ?
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1077 on: April 26, 2023, 02:00:25 PM »
Different scenario
He collected 300k
That 300k went to Nigeria
If he collected 300k and 300k was supposed to go to the hotel how would he have paid his vendors and make a profit?
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1078 on: April 26, 2023, 02:06:33 PM »
If he collected 300k and 300k was supposed to go to hotel how would he have paid his vendors and make a profit?

There’s 1k questions that make him seem guilty
He seems guilty to me
But can we say without a shadow of a doubt
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1079 on: April 26, 2023, 02:14:46 PM »
But can we say without a shadow of a doubt
I'm still looking for possible scenario which will make him not guilty, so far I haven't found any. The only question that really lies is what he's guilty for.
« Last Edit: April 26, 2023, 04:07:55 PM by coffeebean »