Chaim Walder dies

[AsherO]

Listen, David hamelech wasn't perfect either .. ironically he gave away batsheva!

You devalue anything you wrote previously by closing with this. How could you possibly compare SC to Dovid Hamelech?!

א"ר שמואל בר נחמני אמר ר' יונתן כל האומר דוד חטא אינו אלא טועה, שנאמר (שמואל א יח, יד) ''ויהי דוד לכל דרכיו משכיל וה׳ עמו וגו.''אפשר חטא בא לידו ושכינה עמו ?

Rabbi Shmuel bar Naḥmani said that Rabbi Yonatan said: Anyone who says that David sinned with Bathsheba is nothing other than mistaken, as it is stated: “And David succeeded in all his ways; and the Lord was with him” (I Samuel 18:14). Is it possible that sin came to his hand and nevertheless the Divine Presence was with him?

[randomjay]

Random singer sings at mixed concert "burn him, burn his mother"

Random dude does something the rabbi's don't approve of "apikores!!!"

Yet here we have calls to not judge, to not speak lh, to not talk bad about someone..

Really? Why isn't that relevant when they publicly bashmutz people who don't fit their agenda?

What’s your comparison?
Random singer sings, there’s nothing to “investigate” as he’s singing in public, there’s no debate did he sing or didn’t he sing. And BTW there was no Burn him…

[mgarfin]

I'll note that here on DDF we have a couple of threads discussing TV shows, movies etc. (Some of which Harvey weinstein was involved 🤔)

1. Walder didn’t write book about math or science, he wrote about morality. He set himself up to be a moral compass for our children, but wasn’t able to keep his own moral compass.

[ExGingi]

It can very easily be a gaava that can come from talent.

Weren't those his first books?

Did he become a victim of his own success?

[ExGingi]

I would humbly suggest that the vast majority of people on this forum don't understand the subtilties of the Israeli Chareidi printed newspapers, especially the official ones ones by the political parties. I don't think people here realize the importance given to every word printed and especially to every word and title not printed.

To give it a little context, about 10 years ago there were drastic changes made in the Yated newspaper personal. The long standing editor was thrown out and other people were forced to leave as well.
The reason for the changes? The editor refused to place the title "מרן" before Harav Steinmans name which was perceived by everyone as a full out rebellion.

For people that read the Yated every day and know how to read between the lines, the article about Chaim Walders death was in no way as supportive as the Secular/American media outlets raged about.

Just imagine what his petira articles would have looked like if not for the allegations and method of passing.
The article was overall supportive but walks a very fine line and leaves some gaping holes that are meant to be easily seen through.

All fine and dandy. But זצ"ל? ? ? ? ?

Notice that the abuse victim whose tweet I posted pointed out to THIS

[shwarmabob]

Legal?

not sure what are you asking. younger then 18.
"15 year old Bais Yaakov girl"

I want to walk out of my shul each time the guy at the amud starts davening to his tunes. How can you talk to the Aibershtair with his nigunim?

[aygart]

Notice that the abuse victim whose tweet I posted pointed out to THIS

That stood out. To call him a צדיק is ridiculous.

[ExGingi]

יסודתו במחלוקת לשם שמים נגד כת משיחי

מחלוקת ושנאת חינם על ידי אותו זקן שרצה להחרים עדה קדושה בישראל שעניינה אהבת־ישראל והפצת היהדות ודאגה אמיתית לחינוך יהודי לכל ישראל

וחזינן מורשתו של אותו זקן, הן בעיתון שהקים, והן בישיבה שעמד בראשה

ונתקיים בהם מאמר המשנה: עַל דַּאֲטֵפְתְּ אַטְפוּךְ וְסוֹף מְטַיְּפַיִךְ יְטוּפוּן

ונחטף לפני כמה שנים על ידי אנשים שזרקו את כל ההשקפה הטהורה כולל ההתנגדות לכת המשיחי וזו רק אחד מהחטאים הקטנים שלהם

FTFY

[ExGingi]

That stood out. To call him a צדיק is BEYOND ridiculous.

FTFY

[EliJelly]

Midnight madness

[chevron]

You devalue anything you wrote previously by closing with this. How could you possibly compare SC to Dovid Hamelech?!

Well I was saying that sc songs are mostly words from tehillim, then I thought David hamelech wasn't either perfect. .

I want comparing anyone. I didn't say he sinned, I said he wasn't perfect.

I admit, bad comparison

[yuneeq]

I don't think Rav Gershon Edelstein Shlita's point was in any way to defend this person or his actions, or to say that it should not have been dealt with in the most serious and intense matter to get to the bottom of things and then have responsible parties put out the conclusions, or even to denounce the loshon hara aspects per se that would have to have been dealt with then. I think he was just saying that it's not for every Tuvya, Dovid, and Hershel to share every bit of info from any source along with their expert opinions on the matter.

With all due respect to R' Gershon, the gist of his message seems to be a complete straw man. If eshes ish was CW's only possible issue to be concerned about, we wouldn't be having this discussion (his BD eshes ish cases that were unspoken about - until now - only strengthens this conclusion).

[123-Rosh]

An interesting perspective:
Could it be that CW really did teshuva before he took his own life, but wrote his suicide letter the way he did, in order to protect his family from having to face what he did, and allow them to continue to live in denial?

[Dan]

An interesting perspective:
Could it be that CW really did teshuva before he took his own life, but wrote his suicide letter the way he did, in order to protect his family from having to face what he did, and allow them to continue to live in denial?

You think that וְהִתְוַדּוּ אֶת חַטָּאתָם and regretting the sin includes calling Rabonim to Beis Din Shel Maala?!?

[AsherO]

You think that וְהִתְוַדּוּ אֶת חַטָּאתָם includes calling Rabonim to Beis Din Shel Maala?!?

For בין אדם לחברו he’d have to (attempt to) apologize/make whole (not a simple thing) the people he harmed.

[Yehuda57]

https://twitter.com/avitalrachel/status/1476556755316486151

Thousands of words have been spilled in this thread speaking about the theoretical responses of abuse victims. Now real blood has been spilled.

"Let’s talk more about Shifra Horowitz and less about Chayim Walder."

[AsherO]

https://twitter.com/avitalrachel/status/1476556755316486151

Thousands of words have been spilled in this thread speaking about the theoretical responses of abuse victims. Now real blood has been spilled.

"Let’s talk more about Shifra Horowitz and less about Chayim Walder."

If this was triggered by the public’s reaction (and in some ways lack thereof) to CW’s suicide, then we are all collectively responsible for this tragic and avoidable death.

[aygart]

FTFY

Be careful what you say based on emotion and negius.

[aygart]

An interesting perspective:
Could it be that CW really did teshuva before he took his own life, but wrote his suicide letter the way he did, in order to protect his family from having to face what he did, and allow them to continue to live in denial?

Suicide someone precludes that.

Some who recognizes the need to do teshuva wouldn't find suicide to be a way out.

[koplonko]

Be careful what you say based on emotion and negius.

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These are raw facts. But we don't need to discuss them here.