@LongTimeLurker @moe8555 I really hope that you stay around and participate in the disscussion. It is of all of our benifit for all diferent viewpoints to be heard, and to hear each others reactions to our viewpoints. I am eager to hear your furthur thoughts and reactions.
I hope that you do not take any of our criticisms/comments as personal attacks, but rather in the spirit of brotherly debate and clarification, and we will all end up learning and with more respect for each other.
First of all, it makes me sad that the army that literally protects them is called shmad.
If this is a shock to you, (as it may be to many others), I would suggest that you inquire WHY this is so. The answer may help you better understand many other things too.
But fine, they don't want to serve. I get it. With a carrot is a stick.
Goodbye to all of the ridiculous child payments and all of the subsidizing.
I'm not sure why
percieved unfairness in national service leads many to demand economic sanctions.
Most chareidim fulfill EVERY other civic duty a western democracy places on its population.
Anyway, what are these great subsidies that chareidim get? Please, tell me, I'd love to get them!
If what your refering to is the stipends that avreichim get each month from Misrad Hadaatot... they're not that big anyway, and while canceling them will cause hardship, it won't change minds.
Child payments were reformed already, and are not "lucrative" anymore either.
Oh, cut the subsidized childcare so the mothers can go work! Great idea, discourage those who are working, to stop, Brilliant!
As a side point, I think it would be economic stupidity to attack the economic stability of a large segment of the population who hold a huge amount of highly leveraged mortgages. A vast majority of chareidi couples buy apartments (to live or invest in) taking the full 70% mortgage allowed by law, and additional loans from friends and family. If you want to blow up your banking system... go ahead
Additional point: If you view the rate of replacement of Arabs vs. Israelis as an existential crisis, since secular birth rates are declining, then it should be in your intrests to fund more Jewish birth, which is coming in large part from the Chareidi sector.
This is why the govt should specificaly support avreichims stipends, rather than a general child allowance, as that encourages all sectors to procreate, but thats another point. As far as I'm concerned, the point that must be hammered home, time and time again is:
As a percentage of the population, according to modern muliculturalistic values, our views and values, which matter to us, should be accomodated.
This applies economicaly, socially and culturaly. Which returns us to the point that started it all: Chareidi and Dati values must be respected by the high court.
If the high court is just a tool of the left to force the rest of society to accept the values of the left, than it has lost its democratic legitimacy, and MUST be reformed.