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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1480 on: January 12, 2024, 09:43:26 AM »
ďMessianismĒ IMHO is a distraction.

Of course there is nothing heretical believing if someoneís mashiach even if they arenít alive. Itís the shevil stuff thatís a red flag.

Do non meshichists do shevil stuff?
No, nor do 99.9% of meshichists.
That's extremist Tzfati territory.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1481 on: January 12, 2024, 09:44:34 AM »
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1482 on: January 12, 2024, 09:45:37 AM »
ďMessianismĒ IMHO is a distraction.

Of course there is nothing heretical believing if someoneís mashiach even if they arenít alive. Itís the shevil stuff thatís a red flag.

Do non meshichists do shevil stuff?
I guess this was unlocked by request.
Red flag for what?
(,p.s. Did you watch kos shel eliyahu on pesach night?)

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1483 on: January 12, 2024, 09:47:57 AM »
I guess this was unlocked by request.
Red flag for what?
(,p.s. Did you watch kos shel eliyahu on pesach night?)
For immortalizing the mortal in an unprecedented way to Judaism.

No I donít, no one really does, but why not ask from כסא של אליהו which is a real Jewish idea.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1484 on: January 12, 2024, 09:52:01 AM »
For immortalizing the mortal in an unprecedented way to Judaism.

No I donít, no one really does, but why not ask from כסא של אליהו which is a real Jewish idea.
Chas veshalom a minhug is as pricius as halach, it's not a new minhug.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1485 on: January 12, 2024, 09:53:13 AM »
Chas veshalom a minhug is as pricius as halach, it's not a new minhug.
מנהג = גהנם

Anyway, see here
Fascinating discussion on this from Rabbi Dr Eliezer Brodt. Apparently heís written an entire sefer on it. Worth the listen.
https://alldaf.org/p/149655

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1486 on: January 12, 2024, 09:56:07 AM »
but why not ask from כסא של אליהו which is a real Jewish idea.

And the כוס של אליהו. But Eliyahu is an exception and the reason for his appearance at every bris and ever seder table is so poetic and beautiful.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1487 on: January 12, 2024, 09:57:26 AM »
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1488 on: January 12, 2024, 09:57:47 AM »
And the כוס של אליהוm
Not the him drinking part

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1489 on: January 12, 2024, 09:58:53 AM »
No, nor do 99.9% of meshichists.
That's extremist Tzfati territory.

I've seen one working on adjusting the Rebbe's mic with maybe a thousand people watching without giving a blink.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1490 on: January 12, 2024, 09:59:41 AM »
Not the him drinking part

להתמיה התינוקות :P
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1491 on: January 12, 2024, 10:01:16 AM »
להתמיה התינוקות :P
Doesnít work for Lubavitchers :P

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1492 on: January 12, 2024, 10:04:43 AM »
I've seen one working on adjusting the Rebbe's mic with maybe a thousand people watching without giving a blink.
You know there are hundreds of thousands of lubavitchers in the world, yes?

770 happens to be a magnet for extremists. Also, how many of the 1,000 people are watching the spectacle versus participating?
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1493 on: January 12, 2024, 10:04:45 AM »
מנהג = גהנם

Anyway, see here
Like cholov yisroel? :P
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1494 on: January 12, 2024, 10:06:24 AM »
Like cholov yisroel? :P

Isnít that a הלכה, and cholov stam is the minhag?
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1495 on: January 12, 2024, 10:08:30 AM »
I donít have clear the difference between meshichists and AM.

My understanding is that everyone believes the Rebbe will/can/couldíve been mashiach.

Then what? Is it that the mashichists make it a central part of their עבודת השם in ways that AM are uncomfortable with?

What do Meshichists believe, that spreading the message is necessary for his arrival?

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1496 on: January 12, 2024, 10:13:34 AM »
I donít have clear the difference between meshichists and AM.

My understanding is that everyone believes the Rebbe will/can/couldíve been mashiach.

Then what? Is it that the mashichists make it a central part of their עבודת השם in ways that AM are uncomfortable with?

What do Meshichists believe, that spreading the message is necessary for his arrival?
Correct, that hachtaras hamelech requires the declaration and spread of that message.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1497 on: January 12, 2024, 10:16:28 AM »
Another thing that gets people nervous: Infallibility.

My impression is that the Rebbe is infallible isnít limited to meshichists, CMIIW. Being fallible is part of being mortal.

Perhaps this isnít specific to Lubavitch, it can be an issue by other groups, even litvish by the extreme ďDaas TorahĒ types. But my impression is that itís more of a developed idea by Lubavitchers.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1498 on: January 12, 2024, 10:17:19 AM »
Thread unlocked for Friday discussion.
It is a short Friday please lock it, maybe open it motza Shabbos :o
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #1499 on: January 12, 2024, 10:17:36 AM »
I donít have clear the difference between meshichists and AM.

My understanding is that everyone believes the Rebbe will/can/couldíve been mashiach.

Then what? Is it that the mashichists make it a central part of their עבודת השם in ways that AM are uncomfortable with?

What do Meshichists believe, that spreading the message is necessary for his arrival?
AM?
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.