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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5120 on: August 23, 2023, 10:23:55 PM »
Does anyone know how much the buying groups charge the buyers for the inventory?
I'm potentially looking into using a small group to buy some inventory, but trying to gauge what the going rate is.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5121 on: August 23, 2023, 11:29:37 PM »
Anyone ever think that BGs could really just be one big laundering operation? Got the hallmarks of it - large cash amounts, low profit percentage, very good at obscuring where money is coming from or going
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5122 on: August 24, 2023, 02:46:41 AM »
Anyone ever think that BGs could really just be one big laundering operation? Got the hallmarks of it - large cash amounts, low profit percentage, very good at obscuring where money is coming from or going

yes all the banks that shut ppl down for depositing BG checks definitely think so...

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5123 on: August 24, 2023, 02:47:39 PM »
Does anyone know how much the buying groups charge the buyers for the inventory?
I'm potentially looking into using a small group to buy some inventory, but trying to gauge what the going rate is.
around 5%

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5124 on: August 25, 2023, 04:09:59 PM »
I just had a check from “the deal buyer” bounce.
Happened to anyone else?

PSA:

i just had a bunch of checks from them (under new name "buyinggroup.com) rejected. either a "stop payment" or "refer to maker" stamp were on them. repeated inquires made to them have all gone unanswered.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5125 on: August 25, 2023, 08:11:15 PM »
PSA:

i just had a bunch of checks from them (under new name "buyinggroup.com) rejected. either a "stop payment" or "refer to maker" stamp were on them. repeated inquires made to them have all gone unanswered.

now its turning into buyer beware.

i opened tickets, sent emails and even whatsapp messages and all i hear is crickets.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5126 on: August 26, 2023, 10:19:16 PM »
PSA:
i just had a bunch of checks from them (under new name "buyinggroup.com) rejected. either a "stop payment" or "refer to maker" stamp were on them. repeated inquires made to them have all gone unanswered.
now its turning into buyer beware.

i opened tickets, sent emails and even whatsapp messages and all i hear is crickets.

@Markmann20

is anyone else currently using these guys? i even reached out privately to @Markmann20 to resolve this issue before posting on the forums and he's been silent as well.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5127 on: August 26, 2023, 10:59:09 PM »
is anyone else currently using these guys? i even reached out privately to @Markmann20 to resolve this issue before posting on the forums and he's been silent as well.
@Markmann20 was online today and seeing posts so this is very concerning...

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5128 on: August 27, 2023, 02:05:08 AM »
is anyone else currently using these guys? i even reached out privately to @Markmann20 to resolve this issue before posting on the forums and he's been silent as well.

i cant comment on the specific group but there is a buying group chat and mark mann is on there and he sometimes answers on there

https://chat.whatsapp.com/GYn8TR7ofv07BXibo5jqxF

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5129 on: August 28, 2023, 09:57:17 AM »
anyone have any positive or negtative experience or data points with this new company, Deal&Runner ?
yes i did about 50k in orders for them, they scan in same day and send out ach every thursday

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« Reply #5130 on: August 29, 2023, 01:16:16 PM »
is anyone else currently using these guys? i even reached out privately to @Markmann20 to resolve this issue before posting on the forums and he's been silent as well.
@Cat18 any update on this?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5131 on: August 29, 2023, 03:31:56 PM »
@Cat18 any update on this?
Following as well.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5132 on: August 29, 2023, 04:13:28 PM »
I just had a check from “the deal buyer” bounce.
Happened to anyone else?

Funny how not one other person with this issue and plenty of funds in the bank so you must be someone who dislikes us to come to a forum and not even open a ticket about it, as well as being a new account on here and your only post is about this proves my point of you being a competitor group who just isn't a fan of us and how strong we are in this industry ✌️ out

so hope you have great day and to everyone else as well have blessed day

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5134 on: August 29, 2023, 07:26:59 PM »
yes i did about 50k in orders for them, they scan in same day and send out ach every thursday
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« Reply #5135 on: August 29, 2023, 07:29:11 PM »
Having serious issues with MYS. Checks not coming for a while after their already ridiculous timelines... Tickets getting responded to after a few days. "They forwarded my concern to the financial dept". LOL. Like it's some corporate office.

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« Reply #5136 on: August 29, 2023, 07:38:04 PM »
Having serious issues with MYS. Checks not coming for a while after their already ridiculous timelines... Tickets getting responded to after a few days. "They forwarded my concern to the financial dept". LOL. Like it's some corporate office.
I had that recently too after messaging them but then they sent out 3 of 5 outstanding checks within a few days.
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« Reply #5137 on: August 29, 2023, 07:38:27 PM »
is anyone else currently using these guys? i even reached out privately to @Markmann20 to resolve this issue before posting on the forums and he's been silent as well.
They’ve been a pleasure to deal with IME
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« Reply #5138 on: August 29, 2023, 07:39:03 PM »
I had that recently too after messaging them but then they sent out 3 of 5 outstanding checks within a few days.
And the rest?

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« Reply #5139 on: August 29, 2023, 07:41:13 PM »
And the rest?
(The 3 came today, still hopeful).
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