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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions  (Read 586391 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4040 on: January 06, 2020, 11:37:18 PM »
I absolutely agree with what you wrote, but

that one should never trust Toisfos when it brings down a gemara, but always look it up.
Is probably not because you don't trust tosfos and maybe ch"v it was misunderstood, but because of the potential of additional peshatim in the gemara

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4041 on: January 06, 2020, 11:40:56 PM »
How is it an invalid chashash? Do you truly consider yourself incapable of misunderstanding?
Of course not however it’s very difficult to misunderstand Rabbi Weiss. He’s clear as day

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4042 on: January 07, 2020, 05:54:36 AM »
I absolutely agree with what you wrote, but
Is probably not because you don't trust tosfos and maybe ch"v it was misunderstood, but because of the potential of additional peshatim in the gemara
There are also cases where the Gemara tosafos quotes doesn't match our girsa, which means ether a taoos sofer in tosafos or our girsa is wrong!

The best is the last Gemara in makkos where the Gemara quotes the nevuah of uriya that doesn't exist in our version of tanach.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4043 on: January 07, 2020, 06:21:16 AM »
Of course not however it’s very difficult to misunderstand Rabbi Weiss. He’s clear as day
The fact is that the vast majority of poskim are very clear that there is no heter of OASM for pas. Even those who can possibly be construed to mean that they hold that way are not so clear. It would therefore be a tremendous chidush to me if he said that as a blanket rule and I need to here what he said and how he said it as well as the exact context.

I do not see anything titled as a Q&A session. Can you post a link to the specific session in which he said this?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4044 on: January 07, 2020, 06:22:32 AM »
I absolutely agree with what you wrote, but
Is probably not because you don't trust tosfos and maybe ch"v it was misunderstood, but because of the potential of additional peshatim in the gemara

Exactly. It can often lead to a whole new understanding of the different opinions of Tosfos and others.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4045 on: January 07, 2020, 12:08:42 PM »
Exactly. It can often lead to a whole new understanding of the different opinions of Tosfos and others.
In other words, without looking up the source, it is likely that you are not really understanding Tosfos.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4046 on: January 07, 2020, 03:43:58 PM »
The fact is that the vast majority of poskim are very clear that there is no heter of OASM for pas. Even those who can possibly be construed to mean that they hold that way are not so clear. It would therefore be a tremendous chidush to me if he said that as a blanket rule and I need to here what he said and how he said it as well as the exact context.

I do not see anything titled as a Q&A session. Can you post a link to the specific session in which he said this?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4047 on: January 07, 2020, 03:51:58 PM »
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Is this the one titled Contemporary Halachic Issues in Kashrus? I would need to download the audio.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4048 on: January 07, 2020, 03:54:52 PM »
Is this the one titled Contemporary Halachic Issues in Kashrus? I would need to download the audio.
Yes. Start watching at the 31 minute mark. (While your at it, the rav hints to his feeling about POTUS...!)
If you're into kashrus, this shiur is a treasure trove!!
« Last Edit: January 07, 2020, 04:06:50 PM by Shmobaum »

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4049 on: January 07, 2020, 07:47:48 PM »
Yes. Start watching at the 31 minute mark. (While your at it, the rav hints to his feeling about POTUS...!)
If you're into kashrus, this shiur is a treasure trove!!
The whole discussion appears to be about the issue of bishul yisroel. Why do you think he's referring to the issue of pas yisroel?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4050 on: January 07, 2020, 08:11:14 PM »
The whole discussion appears to be about the issue of bishul yisroel. Why do you think he's referring to the issue of pas yisroel?
"appears"? did you watch the entire thing ? starting from minute 30. he's clearly asked about cereals and he clearly also mentions PY

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4051 on: January 07, 2020, 08:18:33 PM »
"appears"? did you watch the entire thing ? starting from minute 30. he's clearly asked about cereals and he clearly also mentions PY
So why are you telling us minute 30? I watched until at least 35, and heard no mention of pas yisroel.

ETA: Rav Weiss starts talking at 27:30 and stops at 36:15, during which time he is specifically addressing the question of bishul akum by coffee (and mashkim in general). Not once does he mention pas yisroel during that time. Maybe he gets up again to speak later and mentions it then, but if that's the case, please point to the actual time he does so.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4052 on: January 07, 2020, 08:25:26 PM »
So why are you telling us minute 30? I watched until at least 35, and heard no mention of pas yisroel.
Start from there. Enjoy!
Didn’t hear the part about cereal?!?
Didn’t hear the part about snacks ALL SNACKS?!?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4053 on: January 07, 2020, 09:29:04 PM »
Start from there. Enjoy!
Didn’t hear the part about cereal?!?
Didn’t hear the part about snacks ALL SNACKS?!?
I didn't listen to it yet but I see already that you are reading it to mean something it was never meant to mean. Why are you saying that cereal is pas? Many poskim consider all cereal to be bishul. Many say it is not even considered to be baked. That you are extrapolating from a statement regarding all snacks also sounds like exactly what I suspected and that you are taking something said regarding bishul and applying it to pas.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4054 on: January 07, 2020, 10:30:11 PM »
I didn't listen to it yet but I see already that you are reading it to mean something it was never meant to mean. Why are you saying that cereal is pas? Many poskim consider all cereal to be bishul. Many say it is not even considered to be baked. That you are extrapolating from a statement regarding all snacks also sounds like exactly what I suspected and that you are taking something said regarding bishul and applying it to pas.
Cheerios? Crispix?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4055 on: January 07, 2020, 10:34:51 PM »
Cheerios? Crispix?
Cheerios are not baked. That is a heter to eat them during aseres yimei tshuva. Crispix are rice and corn.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4056 on: January 07, 2020, 10:36:09 PM »
Cheerios are not baked. That is a heter to eat them during aseres yimei tshuva. Crispix are rice and corn.
Is it grilled???

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4057 on: January 07, 2020, 10:37:44 PM »
Is it grilled???
It is made in a popper.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4058 on: January 07, 2020, 10:39:17 PM »
Pretzels are cooked as well IMU

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #4059 on: January 07, 2020, 10:52:28 PM »
Pretzels are cooked as well IMU
They are baked
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