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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #330 on: January 10, 2013, 12:04:25 AM »
400 years later, are chasidim really the biggest threat to mainstream judaism?
Obviously not, that doesn't necessarily man it's right.

But what are you complaining about. One of the best things that happened to chassidus and partially what originally gave it staying power were the attacks from the misnagdim
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #331 on: January 10, 2013, 01:49:53 AM »
Good Times Drago ................

you could still daven at a chabad shul definitely one of the more welcoming shuls around the world its a shame that your teacher told you not to go cause your missing out ..........
I've since moved, but when I was still in CLE, I took advantage of their mikvah, and an early minyan I davened with used their sanctuary on simachas torah.

Interestingly, the yishuv I live on now, had an interesting chabad story from a few yrs back.
The local chabad was becoming increasingly meshichist, so the shul Rav, who was against it, closed down the chabad so he could get rid of the group. It's since been reopened w/o those ppl, who started their own minyan elsewhere.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #332 on: January 10, 2013, 11:12:58 AM »
Obviously not, that doesn't necessarily man it's right.

But what are you complaining about. One of the best things that happened to chassidus and partially what originally gave it staying power were the attacks from the misnagdim

The attacks from misnagdim resulted in the deaths and imprisonments of too many... hardly something to cheer for. Those were dark days, may Jews never bring such times on each other again.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #333 on: January 10, 2013, 11:18:03 AM »
may Jews never bring such times on each other again.
+100

It's unfortunate that we now witness divisiveness in both the misnagid and chasidish communities.
(Satmer vs. Satmer, or the Ponevich / R. Shteinmann-R. Aurbach issues) So incredibly sad... 

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #334 on: January 10, 2013, 11:24:25 AM »
+100

It's unfortunate that we now witness divisiveness in both the misnagid and chasidish communities.
(Satmer vs. Satmer, or the Ponevich / R. Shteinmann-R. Aurbach issues) So incredibly sad...

When Jews stand strong together, we can overcome anything.. the opposite is unfortunately also true

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #335 on: January 12, 2013, 11:30:36 PM »
Lamdan has 770 posts.  :o :o
that misnagid better post something fast or he might freeze that way!  :P :P
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #336 on: January 13, 2013, 12:53:19 AM »
Lamdan has 770 posts.  :o :o
that misnagid better post something fast or he might freeze that way!  :P :P
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #337 on: January 13, 2013, 10:29:52 AM »
Posting in just shmooze isn't going to help you.  You will stay at 770 :D

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #338 on: January 13, 2013, 10:54:52 AM »
Just to add a line i heard a good thought,
How is it tht the vilner goen tht was by all means a ball ruach hakodesh and so was the bal hatanye a bal ruach hakodesh, how come they couldn't see eye to eye and know which way is right.
The answer is because they had ruach hakodesh they both where able to see 200 years ahead in time, the groo looked ahead and saw wht chasidus in our days will look like, he couldn't take it, and fought it with al his strength, and the alter rebbe saw the way misnagdim will look like today so he kept on to his derech trying to save the future ???

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #339 on: January 13, 2013, 11:16:19 AM »
Sorry, but Judaism today (and even "misdagsdim") without Chassidus would look very very different.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #340 on: January 13, 2013, 11:53:45 AM »
there no such movement as Misnagdim. Today the non chasidic jews are just plain regular jews as we were 500 years ago, just like it was in the times of the reshonim, we didnt change neither do we think its necessary to improve the derech that Rashi had for eg.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #341 on: January 13, 2013, 11:54:42 AM »
Today the non chasidic jews are just plain regular jews as we were 500 years ago, just like it was in the times of the reshonim, we didnt change neither do we think its necessary to improve the derech that Rashi had for eg.
-1,000.  You need to brush up on your history.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #342 on: January 13, 2013, 12:03:16 PM »
there no such movement as Misnagdim. Today the non chasidic jews are just plain regular jews as we were 500 years ago, just like it was in the times of the reshonim, we didnt change neither do we think its necessary to improve the derech that Rashi had for eg.
Same same but different.... very different.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #343 on: January 13, 2013, 01:03:17 PM »
-1,000.  You need to brush up on your history.

Same same but different.... very different.

Can you folks enlighten us history challenged ppl?

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #344 on: January 13, 2013, 01:08:43 PM »
Can you folks enlighten us history challenged ppl?
Judaism today is VERY different from ANY form of Judaism practiced even 100 years ago, never mind the days of Rashi and the Rishonim....
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