Starting Point Of Israel/Palestine Conflict?

[EliJelly]

You don't need to love the state to love the people it is now tasked to protect. This isn't hard to understand, it's a common sense approach that can be seen by packed halls of Yidden saying Tehilim in unity for our brothers, even though most are not yet religious.

Oh I can assure you I love and pray for my fellow Jewish brothers from all stripes as much as you do.

Satmar Rov also helped numerous people who were staunch zionist and gave them money in their needs as is well known. Satmar Bikur cholim and other chessed services are also geared to Jews of all backgrounds.

We fight the movement, not the individuals.

[Yehuda57]

I love  and prey formy fellow Jewish brothers

Freudian chef's kiss

[imayid2]

Yet it was cited as a source for the current secular state.

'Twas not

[EliJelly]

Freudian chef's kiss

You were quick!

[Dan]

Oh I can assure you I love and pray for my fellow Jewish brothers from all stripes as much as you do.

Satmar Rov also helped numerous people who were staunch zionist and gave them money in their needs as is well known. Satmar Bikur cholim and other chessed services are also geared to Jews of all backgrounds.

We fight the movement, not the individuals.

On chesed, I have no doubt.

But this fight was lost in 1948. You're clinging to a lost battle and it's not even against anyone as there are no true Zionists today or Zionist movement today. They're long gone. But there is a Jewish state and it's not going anywhere. Even most of the Arabs learned that in the past 75 years!

The notion that announcing a lack of Jewish unity vis-a-vis Israel today would somehow help anti-Semitism is laughable and belies common sense. No need to look any farther than this for how it looks to non-Jews:

This does tremendous damage. What do you think those outside of DDF see when they see that?

How would they possibly know that?
If you mean based on the way they look, probably. Then they would paint all "visibly Jewish" with the same brush.
Translation: Religious Jews stand with Palestine.

[ExGingi]

Oh I can assure you I love and pray for my fellow Jewish brothers from all stripes as much as you do.

Satmar Rov also helped numerous people who were staunch zionist and gave them money in their needs as is well known. Satmar Bikur cholim and other chessed services are also geared to Jews of all backgrounds.

We fight the movement, not the individuals.

You might be aware that יהדות התורה והמדינה was written at the behest of the Rebbe, and rumor has it that after publication the Rebbe commented נישט גענוג שארף.

That being said, the Lubavitch approach is clearly spelled out (אאמו"ר refers to the Rebbe Rashab):

[imayid2]

What does מלחמת תנופה mean?

[Dan]

You might be aware that יהדות התורה והמדינה was written at the behest of the Rebbe, and rumor has it that after publication the Rebbe commented נישט גענוג שארף.

That being said the Lubavitch approach is clearly spelled out (אאמו"ר refers to the Rebbe Rashab):

FTFY

[ExGingi]

FTFY

Not a fix, but rather an addition. I like to post the original print. Could have easily posted a clearer print.

[Dan]

Not a fix, but rather an addition. I like to post the original print. Could have easily posted a clearer print.

Which version accomplishes more hafatzos hamayanos?

[ExGingi]

Which version accomplishes more hafatzos hamayanos?

You don't expect me to hog all the merits for myself...

As a side note see what the Rebbe responded to R' Hirschprung (IINM) during the Shiva in 5748 after he commented on the גאונות of the מראי מקומות.

[EliJelly]

The notion that announcing a lack of Jewish unity vis-a-vis Israel today would somehow help anti-Semitism is laughable and belies common sense. No need to look any farther than this for how it looks to non-Jews:

That was CV's comments on NK's recent protests with the Arabs.

I take personal offense that Satmar and NK are equated in one sentence. While both don't support the Israeli government, they're miles apart in their beliefs (and actions).

[Dan]

That was CV's comments on NK's recent protests with the Arabs.

You expect the world to know the difference when you're desiring to publicly announce that you don't stand with Israel and her actions to protect her people?!?

[EliJelly]

You expect the world to know the difference when you're desiring to publicly announce that you don't stand with Israel and her actions to protect her people?!?

(Eta. needless to say that no such proclamations should be made, and isn't ever made, in times like these after terror attacks on Israelis/Jews. That can indeed have an adverse affect and could be interpreted as being callous for the plight of the victims CV. Was opining on the general disassociation)

[Dan]

Nu, so walk me through this brilliant plan and timeline to solve anti-Semitism.

[EliJelly]

Nu, so walk me through this brilliant plan and timeline to solve anti-Semitism.

Solve is the wrong word, It's mitigate. Was all written upthread take it from there.

[imayid2]

when you're desiring to publicly announce that you don't stand with Israel and her actions to protect her people?!?

I’m pretty sure no one said that

[Dan]

Solve is the wrong word, It's mitigate. Was all written upthread take it from there.

I'd love to see your full timeline/battle plan and how you think it plays out from there.

[imayid2]

At a different time you’d say that you don’t agree with the actions taken to protect their inhabitants?

That’s different than deflecting the question and saying it’s not your business to be involved.

[EliJelly]

I'd love to see your full timeline/battle plan and how you think it plays out from there.

Conflating Jews with Zionism is detrimental, period. How we get the message out is indeed a great question. Perhaps now is too late, but in the beginning of the state the Charedi world could have disassociate more from the state.