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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #735 on: January 16, 2013, 07:03:02 PM »
Depends who you ask.  Some will say it's the day the Rebbe left the hospital :P
Who?  Find me one person.
ok maybe nobody says that that, but I have heard it referred to as the day of concealment.  if you refuse to say זצ"ל  or נשמתו בגנזי מרומים then what do you say?

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #736 on: January 16, 2013, 07:03:07 PM »

The guy managed to fumble this one also or do you see a pattern?
Im convinced.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #737 on: January 16, 2013, 07:05:53 PM »

The guy managed to fumble this one also or do you see a pattern?
Im convinced.
Wrong, he's just talking in a typical older Lubavitch accent and it's perfectly clear what he's saying. 
And either way his FIL was Yosef Yitzchok, not Levi Yitzchok.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #738 on: January 16, 2013, 07:07:48 PM »
all the other words besides "Ben Levi" are crystal clear. In both clips.

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #739 on: January 16, 2013, 07:08:36 PM »
Or just put your request in the iggros to get your answer
Don't make fun of these you don't understand.
http://www.aishdas.org/avodah/vol02/v02n094.shtml#07

9. Rabbi Keller objects also to people submitting questions and problems to the
   Rebbe "by writing letters to him and placing them at random in the Rebbe's
   Igros Kodesh," and then considering that page to be an answer. Thus he
   repeats his habitual error: he rejects the verse "Have I not written unto
   you esteemed things of counsels and knowledge" (Mishlei 22:20) as rendered
   in Midrash Tanchuma and Pessikta, and interpreted to mean that one can
   find counsel by random opening of Torah-texts . Before Rabbi Keller is
   tempted to dismiss this, too, as "allegory and metaphor" he should note
   that it is cited literally in Halachic context (see Chida, Birkei Yossef,
   Yoreh Deah 179:6, and his Devash Lefi, s.v. Torah)."
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #740 on: January 16, 2013, 07:09:32 PM »
all the other words besides "Ben Levi" are crystal clear. In both clips.
-1, they're perfectly clear to anyone who's familiar with a lubavitch accent.
Either way according to you where's the yosef??
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #741 on: January 16, 2013, 07:09:49 PM »
besides, you do agree that he felt that his FIL was around and helped him lead right? Is it a stretch that he wanted to get an aliya together?

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #742 on: January 16, 2013, 07:10:36 PM »
-1, they're perfectly clear to anyone who's familiar with a lubavitch accent.
Either way according to you where's the yosef??
Its mumbled inaudibly. Clearly ppl would find it strange if he shouted it...

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #743 on: January 16, 2013, 07:10:46 PM »
ok maybe nobody says that that, but I have heard it referred to as the day of concealment.  if you refuse to say זצ"ל  or נשמתו בגנזי מרומים then what do you say?
Z"YA is standard.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #744 on: January 16, 2013, 07:11:46 PM »
besides, you do agree that he felt that his FIL was around and helped him lead right? Is it a stretch that he wanted to get an aliya together?
Even if he did he never would've had them use his real name.
You're really grasping at straws here, quit while you're behind.
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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #745 on: January 16, 2013, 07:11:52 PM »
Dan can we add a poll asking what to do with this thread? The options can be something like:
1) Delete the thread
2) Lock at 770 posts
3) Leave as is

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #746 on: January 16, 2013, 07:15:20 PM »
im not well versed with who mashiach is supposed to be,

but can anyone tell me how ani rochev al chamor falls into the scheme of things?
Not familiar with that.

there are many who wear/chant the yechi slogan
you are saying they are all meshichists?
Yes, though what that means is debatable.
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Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #747 on: January 16, 2013, 07:19:37 PM »
Z"YA is standard.
I would say Standard is Nesi Doireinu

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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #748 on: January 16, 2013, 07:20:21 PM »
Don't make fun of these you don't understand.
http://www.aishdas.org/avodah/vol02/v02n094.shtml#07

9. Rabbi Keller objects also to people submitting questions and problems to the
   Rebbe "by writing letters to him and placing them at random in the Rebbe's
   Igros Kodesh," and then considering that page to be an answer. Thus he
   repeats his habitual error: he rejects the verse "Have I not written unto
   you esteemed things of counsels and knowledge" (Mishlei 22:20) as rendered
   in Midrash Tanchuma and Pessikta, and interpreted to mean that one can
   find counsel by random opening of Torah-texts . Before Rabbi Keller is
   tempted to dismiss this, too, as "allegory and metaphor" he should note
   that it is cited literally in Halachic context (see Chida, Birkei Yossef,
   Yoreh Deah 179:6, and his Devash Lefi, s.v. Torah)."
Very well written.  This is the piece the Rosh didn't like?  I find it strange when people use the approach and say the Rebbe told me... but just cause I find it strange doesn't make it wrong. 


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Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
« Reply #749 on: January 16, 2013, 07:21:24 PM »
but can anyone tell me how ani rochev al chamor falls into the scheme of things?
What's the question?