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Links to kosher symbol lists. Each list is obviously only as reliable as its source

cRc: http://www.crcweb.org/agency_list.php

KosherQuest: https://kosherquest.org/kosher-symbols/

Approved alcoholic drinks from the Rabbanut.  http://www.jerusalemkoshernews.com/wp-content/uploads/%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%A7%D7%90%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%97%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%95%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D.pdf

These are NOT Orthodox: https://sites.google.com/site/nonorthodoxkosher/home (even though some may look legit)


Informative post regarding Kashrus Agencies
Every hashgacha has +&-.


You can also submit any kashrus questions at
https://www.askcrc.org/ask
https://oukosher.org/ask-kosher-question/
https://www.star-k.org/ask-rabbi choose General Consumer Kashrus Questions in the Subject/Topic Dropdown list
https://www.ok.org/contact/ choose Kosher in the Attention Dropdown list



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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5340 on: September 27, 2023, 01:45:47 PM »
that is one of the reasons .
You can call everything politics but if in IL it is a Mizrachi organization and in America  the Kashrus branch is run by charedim that means something to many people. (and that "affiliation " difference will definitely  cause things to be done differently at times)

And Rabbi Genack?
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5341 on: September 27, 2023, 02:00:35 PM »

Whoís more involved in the operations, Rabbi Genack or Rabbi Elephant?

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5342 on: September 27, 2023, 02:02:45 PM »

I am not up to date as to how things work now but he was one out of three. The rabbinical coordinators ,etc. are charedi afaik.
Most importantly their business  caters heavily to a chareidi clientele .

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5343 on: September 27, 2023, 04:17:20 PM »
that is one of the reasons .
You can call everything politics but if in IL it is a Mizrachi organization and in America  the Kashrus branch is run by charedim that means something to many people. (and that "affiliation " difference will definitely  cause things to be done differently at times)

AFAIK the head of OU Israel Kosher division is Chareidi. I posted a speech he gave about kashrus standards alongside Rabbi Senter upthread. The individual mashgichim are often dati.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5344 on: September 27, 2023, 04:20:21 PM »
Here is Rabbi Weiners (ZNT) list: (this may be out of date)
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5345 on: September 28, 2023, 08:48:56 AM »
Great! This (out of date ZNT) just proves the general accuracy of the unsigned list .
Lets compare ZNT vs USL
ZNT level one: eida, rubin, landua, sheiris, znt, something from tzfas - all are USL levels one or two aside from ZNT (affiliation - USL Level Three), and possibly the tzfas hechsher (not sure which is its new logo on the USL list - its prob level two in any case).
ZNT Level two: Machfud, CCSBB - USL level four. Kehilos - USL Level five.
ZNT Level Three: Belz, Aguda - USL Level five.  R JLM Mehadrin - USL Level Six. CCSPT- USL Level Seven.
ZNT Level Four: Beit Yosef - USL Level six. Rabbanut - USL Level Seven.

USL - anything below level 3 ask a shayla...
ZNT anything below two ask ask a shayla...

As you can see - It matches up...
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5346 on: September 28, 2023, 10:19:04 AM »
Iím told that oils are sometimes refined in facilities also used for treif. Apparently itís not common in the US but does occur more often in other countries. So while a specific bottle of canola/vegetable/olive oil without a hechsher is unlikely to be treif, there is a realistic possibility that an unsupervised machine  had thoroughly treifa oil used at some point (got a bargain on some overstock oil made in Europe etc).

Assuming we would need to be choshesh for this (why wouldnít we, unless rov tells us not to? Not sure how this works) there would be a real issue with buying popcorn from concession stands unless you can verify exclusively kosher use until the last 24 hours (or Linas Layla) of disuse.
OTOH some say we donít say חנ״ן at all when there is no איסור ידוע. This would definitely qualify. Accordingly the last 24 is all that counts.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5347 on: September 28, 2023, 11:30:29 AM »
Great! This (out of date ZNT) just proves the general accuracy of the unsigned list .
Lets compare ZNT vs USL
ZNT level one: eida, rubin, landua, sheiris, znt, something from tzfas - all are USL levels one or two aside from ZNT (affiliation - USL Level Three), and possibly the tzfas hechsher (not sure which is its new logo on the USL list - its prob level two in any case).
ZNT Level two: Machfud, CCSBB - USL level four. Kehilos - USL Level five.
ZNT Level Three: Belz, Aguda - USL Level five.  R JLM Mehadrin - USL Level Six. CCSPT- USL Level Seven.
ZNT Level Four: Beit Yosef - USL Level six. Rabbanut - USL Level Seven.

USL - anything below level 3 ask a shayla...
ZNT anything below two ask ask a shayla...

As you can see - It matches up...

Do you have the up to date version? I know the OU was on some versions, and it has bounced around, and Belz has also bounced around levels based on the various versions I've seen, with everything else consistent.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5348 on: September 28, 2023, 11:33:08 AM »
Great! This (out of date ZNT) just proves the general accuracy of the unsigned list .
Lets compare ZNT vs USL
ZNT level one: eida, rubin, landua, sheiris, znt, something from tzfas - all are USL levels one or two aside from ZNT (affiliation - USL Level Three), and possibly the tzfas hechsher (not sure which is its new logo on the USL list - its prob level two in any case).
ZNT Level two: Machfud, CCSBB - USL level four. Kehilos - USL Level five.
ZNT Level Three: Belz, Aguda - USL Level five.  R JLM Mehadrin - USL Level Six. CCSPT- USL Level Seven.
ZNT Level Four: Beit Yosef - USL Level six. Rabbanut - USL Level Seven.

USL - anything below level 3 ask a shayla...
ZNT anything below two ask ask a shayla...

As you can see - It matches up...

Rabbi Weiner told me Tzfas Mehadrin was fine, as long as one can verify the shechita - its less makpid than badatz tzfas but still the same level of oversight.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5349 on: September 28, 2023, 05:28:07 PM »
Are OU crackers bishul Yisrael ?

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5350 on: September 28, 2023, 05:48:58 PM »
Are OU crackers bishul Yisrael ?
Do you mean pas yisrael? check this list.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5351 on: September 28, 2023, 06:11:31 PM »
Do you mean pas yisrael? check this list.
thank you for the list.
I was asking more as a policy. If I see crackers with an Ou do I need to call and see if itís bishul Yisrael. ( I see on their site they make a distinction between pas Yisrael vs bishul Yisrael, and they donít require pas Yisrael )

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5352 on: September 28, 2023, 06:14:44 PM »
thank you for the list.
I was asking more as a policy. If I see crackers with an Ou do I need to call and see if itís bishul Yisrael. ( I see on their site they make a distinction between pas Yisrael vs bishul Yisrael, and they donít require pas Yisrael )

If it is something that requires bishul yisroel in halacha that would be akin to asking if the OU requires it be mutar to eat.
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« Reply #5353 on: September 28, 2023, 06:19:46 PM »
It's not their distinction. There are 2 different simanim in Sh"A 112 & 113 with different sets of criteria.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5354 on: September 28, 2023, 06:21:10 PM »
It's not their distinction. There are 2 different simanim in Sh"A 112 & 113 with different sets of criteria.
I know, just in my head I put them together.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5355 on: September 28, 2023, 06:23:01 PM »
If it is something that requires bishul yisroel in halacha that would be akin to asking if the OU requires it be mutar to eat.
True but there are things that the OU holds do not require bishul yisroel and other poskim (especially chassidishe) hold do need to be.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5356 on: September 28, 2023, 06:46:11 PM »
The OU does not require steamed items in factories to be BY. This is pertinent for some baby jars, for example sweet potato purťe.

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5357 on: September 28, 2023, 06:51:20 PM »
Do you have the up to date version? I know the OU was on some versions, and it has bounced around, and Belz has also bounced around levels based on the various versions I've seen, with everything else consistent.

The most upto date version AFAIK is the google sheet mantained by Rabbi Farkash.
There's a way to request access on the ZNT website https://zntkosher.wixsite.com/mysite

Honestly, I really don't think the list lives up to the hype given to it.
It's more or less the big four, plus local hechsherim in Ashdod, Tzfas, Chaifa, Ashdod plus a place in TA, ZY, Herzeliya- oh and IKEA Netanya

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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5358 on: September 28, 2023, 06:58:39 PM »
The OU does not require steamed items in factories to be BY. This is pertinent for some baby jars, for example sweet potato purťe.
Isnít that based on Rí Moshe? I seem to remember a shiur from Harav @aygart on this subject.
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Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
« Reply #5359 on: September 28, 2023, 06:59:43 PM »
Isnít that based on Rí Moshe? I seem to remember a shiur from Harav @aygart on this subject.
Yes Rav Moshe is meikal on all bishul in factories. The OU is meikal btziruf steaming.