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https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/

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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5080 on: July 08, 2023, 11:51:45 PM »
Any good way to hit a SUB ? i really dont want to get backin to buying groups. probably can do 4k over 3 months in day to day spending, any good strategies to spend another 4k? thanks
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5081 on: July 09, 2023, 10:14:59 PM »
just saw this ad on yeshiva world for a new company called Deal and Runner.

http://www.dealandrunner.com

they are saying they are not a buying group but rather more of a direct transaction between the buyer and the dealer.... to me it sounds just like another buying group. anyone have any experience or thoughts on his?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5082 on: July 09, 2023, 10:22:02 PM »
just saw this ad on yeshiva world for a new company called Deal and Runner.

http://www.dealandrunner.com

they are saying they are not a buying group but rather more of a direct transaction between the buyer and the dealer.... to me it sounds just like another buying group. anyone have any experience or thoughts on his?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5083 on: July 09, 2023, 10:56:02 PM »
just saw this ad on yeshiva world for a new company called Deal and Runner.

http://www.dealandrunner.com

they are saying they are not a buying group but rather more of a direct transaction between the buyer and the dealer.... to me it sounds just like another buying group. anyone have any experience or thoughts on his?
I would think it could be even worse than a buying group if you're getting paid by the 'dealer'. Unless the dealers are putting lots of info about themselves and building a reputation on there, you probably know even less about the entity paying you than you do when you buy for a BG. And there are two parties (the Dealer and the middleman guy) to shift any blame between each other, in an already murky business.

Nothing engenders more confidence than an advertorial that quotes the CEO*

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Alol. That's something that I always saw as massive difference between DDMS and its various copycats out there. From the ones I've seen, few if any had owners/writers who put their name behind it. (Same with many of the tabloid-style jewish news sites, but that's a whole other animal.) Offhand I can't think of any legitimate business anywhere where the management hides behind the business name. If you're confident in the legitimacy and quality of what you're offering, why wouldn't you want to be associated with it?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5084 on: July 10, 2023, 03:52:38 PM »
do ppl use the Amex amazon card for BG?
I assume amex often do see more granular level purchase detail. do amex mind the BG spend? (not interested in burning an existing relationship)

separate/related:
do anyone do BG spend through Biz accts (checking/CC) vs personal? any real difference?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5085 on: July 10, 2023, 04:01:03 PM »
separate/related:
do anyone do BG spend through Biz accts (checking/CC) vs personal? any real difference?
Biz CC balances (usually) don't show on you credit report.
If it benefits even just one fellow DDFer, its worth posting it.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5086 on: July 10, 2023, 04:03:44 PM »
Biz CC balances (usually) don't show on you credit report.
thanks.
assuming most will pay from personal bank accts, even when using biz CC.
is it theoretically more 'kosher' to keep it all in the biz 'ecosystem'?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5087 on: July 10, 2023, 04:54:46 PM »
do ppl use the Amex amazon card for BG?
I assume amex often do see more granular level purchase detail. do amex mind the BG spend? (not interested in burning an existing relationship)

separate/related:
do anyone do BG spend through Biz accts (checking/CC) vs personal? any real difference?
I use one for mix of personal stuff and BG. I don't think they mind especially bc they limit their 5x to $120k per card

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5088 on: July 12, 2023, 08:21:17 AM »
Besides chase prime card and Amex  Amazon business card what are other credit cards that give at least 3 points for purchase made through Amazon?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5089 on: July 13, 2023, 12:18:32 AM »
Any good way to hit a SUB ? i really dont want to get backin to buying groups. probably can do 4k over 3 months in day to day spending, any good strategies to spend another 4k? thanks
I'd stay far away from SUBs. considering what happened with the ocean gate titan
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5090 on: July 14, 2023, 04:19:13 AM »
just saw this ad on yeshiva world for a new company called Deal and Runner.

http://www.dealandrunner.com

they are saying they are not a buying group but rather more of a direct transaction between the buyer and the dealer.... to me it sounds just like another buying group. anyone have any experience or thoughts on his?

Itís just a way to market themselves differently to draw traffic and give crazy commissions to get attention as well once they start getting what they need commissions by them will come down itís a BG not worried but more groups means market will move down on stuff
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5091 on: July 14, 2023, 11:29:20 AM »
If I ordered items directly to USA BG can I stop by them to pick up a check, or is that only if I deliver them the items personally?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5092 on: July 14, 2023, 12:26:37 PM »
If I ordered items directly to USA BG can I stop by them to pick up a check, or is that only if I deliver them the items personally?
I believe it's the latter. They may allow you to pick up the check as opposed to them sending it to you, but will still incur processing times.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5093 on: July 23, 2023, 12:17:20 PM »
For a beginner, which BG would be recommended?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5094 on: July 23, 2023, 01:25:54 PM »
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For a beginner, which BG would be recommended?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5095 on: July 23, 2023, 04:37:17 PM »
PSA since the birth of TDB/BG brand we have always covered the losses of our buyers as far as lost or missing goods that retailers would not cover you the buyers on.

BG understands the difficulties buyers face these days with retailers and we are always here for you so you have 0 risk when sending to BG/TDB. That is why even if another group is $1 more people will send to BG cause they know we have there backs and donít even ask for price matches they are happy with the service we provide. So if your not active by us or have had concerns or issues we are always around to help.

We send deals via WhatsApp, Telegram, Email to get your notifications.

Enjoy your week & Thank you for being apart of the BG Fam 🥂 🍻

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5096 on: July 23, 2023, 06:13:32 PM »
PSA since the birth of TDB/BG brand we have always covered the losses of our buyers as far as lost or missing goods that retailers would not cover you the buyers on.

BG understands the difficulties buyers face these days with retailers and we are always here for you so you have 0 risk when sending to BG/TDB. That is why even if another group is $1 more people will send to BG cause they know we have there backs and donít even ask for price matches they are happy with the service we provide. So if your not active by us or have had concerns or issues we are always around to help.

We send deals via WhatsApp, Telegram, Email to get your notifications.

Enjoy your week & Thank you for being apart of the BG Fam 🥂 🍻

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I actually agree with this, TDB/BG is one place I have never had an issue (the one time there was a discrepancy they immediately paid out no questions asked).
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5097 on: July 24, 2023, 12:19:05 PM »
For a beginner, which BG would be recommended?
BFMR is my fave

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5098 on: July 24, 2023, 06:00:12 PM »
I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5099 on: July 24, 2023, 06:48:12 PM »
I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up
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