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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3520 on: August 30, 2023, 04:08:59 PM »
VF does mention it, but 1% is not exaggerated IMHO
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How familiar are you with Lakewood? This story shocked me, and there is zero chance there are more than a handful of similar people. (Not that I think there are a handful).

Or do you mean go on innocuous vacations with their family?
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3521 on: August 30, 2023, 04:46:40 PM »
“Poupko spent time in Lakewood but left to get a graduate degree at Yeshiva University in Upper Manhattan, and now teaches at Park East Day School on the Upper East Side. The rabbi expected to be on the receiving end of torrential hate from the Haredi community after so passionately calling them out in the Israeli paper of record. Instead, he got crickets.”

So now does he understand that BMG is simply not YU?
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3522 on: August 30, 2023, 04:58:38 PM »
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How familiar are you with Lakewood? This story shocked me, and there is zero chance there are more than a handful of similar people. (Not that I think there are a handful).

Or do you mean go on unscrupulous vacations without their family?
FTFY, Can you not find 160 people like that in Lakewood?
I was referring to the quoted line, and 1% of Lakewood not 1% of BMG

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A source within the Orthodox community told me about something of a pattern among some of its most ardent religious scholars who devote their lives to study and need ways to blow off steam. A very small percentage—maybe 1 percent this source estimated—go on tropical vacations alone, or jaunts through Europe, or might even take a few forays into Manhattan nightlife.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3523 on: August 30, 2023, 05:14:57 PM »
FTFY, Can you not find 160 people like that in Lakewood?
I was referring to the quoted line, and 1% of Lakewood not 1% of BMG
I may be living under a rock, but I doubt you'll even find 10.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3524 on: August 30, 2023, 05:17:45 PM »
I was referring to the quoted line, and 1% of Lakewood not 1% of BMG

But that's not what the article claims. It says 1% of "it's most ardent religious scholars." That doesn't mean 1% of the Lakewood population.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3525 on: August 30, 2023, 05:19:44 PM »
I may be living under a rock, but I doubt you'll even find 10.
Perhaps if it was so easy to find them they wouldn't do it lol
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3526 on: August 30, 2023, 05:31:32 PM »
FTFY, Can you not find 160 people like that in Lakewood?
I was referring to the quoted line, and 1% of Lakewood not 1% of BMG


160 is 1% of Lakewood?
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3527 on: August 30, 2023, 05:33:39 PM »
160 is 1% of Lakewood?
1% of households, according to smartlist
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3528 on: August 30, 2023, 05:52:26 PM »
This really belongs in the other thread. Basically he was funding his lifestyle with various schemes/fraud and it would have perpetuated itself indefinitely if things hadn’t unraveled, causing him to run out of money. That was the beginning of the end.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3529 on: August 30, 2023, 06:12:07 PM »
This really belongs in the other thread. Basically he was funding his lifestyle with various schemes/fraud and it would have perpetuated itself indefinitely if things hadn’t unraveled, causing him to run out of money. That was the beginning of the end.

I was thinking about that, it's really just "fake it till you make it"

He probably could have pulled off legit deals.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3530 on: August 30, 2023, 06:12:49 PM »
Go on vacations alone? @Something Fishy may know about some of those.

Hey I shtel tzu a lot on my trips but I have some boundaries
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3531 on: August 30, 2023, 06:20:52 PM »
I may be living under a rock, but I doubt you'll even find 10.
I know a restaurant proprietor (not kosher) who owns a few clubs, he was very familiar with kosher. When I inquired he told me at one of his clubs he has a large group of "ultra orthodox" that come in the afternoon (before they officially open) and essentially rent the place out. Girls and all... I was shocked, but apparently it does happen.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3532 on: August 30, 2023, 06:23:45 PM »
Hey I shtel tzu a lot on my trips but I have some boundaries
My point was that traveling without family is a poor indicator of impropriety.
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3533 on: August 30, 2023, 06:24:07 PM »
Who knows what within the community means?
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3534 on: August 30, 2023, 06:53:38 PM »
I know a restaurant proprietor (not kosher) who owns a few clubs, he was very familiar with kosher. When I inquired he told me at one of his clubs he has a large group of "ultra orthodox" that come in the afternoon (before they officially open) and essentially rent the place out. Girls and all... I was shocked, but apparently it does happen.

Was food kosher ? I get the appeal of the girls but trayf food never appeals to me unless I'm starving and it's free ;)


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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3535 on: August 30, 2023, 06:57:20 PM »
I guess as long as no corn on the cob was served it's fine

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3536 on: August 30, 2023, 06:58:00 PM »
I bet everyone of them talks in shul.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3537 on: August 30, 2023, 07:07:09 PM »
I bet everyone of them talks in shul.
You sure they went?
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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3538 on: August 30, 2023, 07:20:42 PM »
Was food kosher ? I get the appeal of the girls but trayf food never appeals to me unless I'm starving and it's free ;)
Yeah, that's what i found amusing, here were a group of (seemingly) married men doing who knows what mid afternoon when their wives think theyre working, but always with kosher food (i'm sure with a great hechser as well :) ). Normally they would have a caterer bring in food and have a "buffet" station setup.

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Re: The Future of Lakewood
« Reply #3539 on: August 30, 2023, 07:27:41 PM »
Yeah, that's what i found amusing, here were a group of (seemingly) married men doing who knows what mid afternoon when their wives think theyre working, but always with kosher food (i'm sure with a great hechser as well :) ). Normally they would have a caterer bring in food and have a "buffet" station setup.
The biggest surprise isn't that someone went, it's that they went with friends...