Author Topic: The Future of Lakewood (Read 622957 times)

yelped · « **Reply #1020 on:** June 16, 2021, 01:33:05 AM »

Quote from: Moshe123 on June 15, 2021, 11:15:08 PM

Yeah. I'm sure Jews in Warsaw and the LES lived less crowded. Not

So we should strive to live in a ghetto?

avromie7 · « **Reply #1021 on:** June 16, 2021, 06:16:58 AM »

Quote from: Moshe123 on June 15, 2021, 11:15:08 PM

Yeah. I'm sure Jews in Warsaw and the LES lived less crowded. Not

You're advocating for ghetto conditions?!?

Moshe123 · « **Reply #1022 on:** June 16, 2021, 06:37:14 AM »

Didn't know there was a ghetto prewar.

moko · « **Reply #1023 on:** June 16, 2021, 11:10:39 AM »

Quote from: Moshe123 on June 16, 2021, 06:37:14 AM

Didn't know there was a ghetto prewar.

really?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ghettos_in_Europe

JlmBoi · « **Reply #1024 on:** June 16, 2021, 11:25:23 AM »

Quote from: yelped on June 15, 2021, 11:06:45 PM

What's Jewish about putting windows of houses facing each other, 5 feet from each other, and driveways sticking into other people's houses? What happened to מה טובו אוהליך יעקב and the countless takanas of Chazal against obstructing other people's views?

Some of the new projects here are building like that too. Disgusting.

aygart · « **Reply #1025 on:** June 16, 2021, 11:41:46 AM »

Quote from: Moshe123 on June 15, 2021, 08:57:37 PM

Jewish life is booming. Amazing.

+1, but that doesn’t need to preclude using a level of seichel in how to manage it.

Moshe123 · « **Reply #1026 on:** June 16, 2021, 12:43:43 PM »

Quote from: moko on June 16, 2021, 11:10:39 AM

really?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ghettos_in_Europe

In Warsaw?

yelped · « **Reply #1027 on:** June 16, 2021, 01:14:27 PM »

Quote from: Moshe123 on June 16, 2021, 12:43:43 PM

In Warsaw?

*Ghetto-like conditions*

AsherO · « **Reply #1028 on:** June 16, 2021, 01:19:52 PM »

Quote from: Moshe123 on June 16, 2021, 06:37:14 AM

Didn't know there was a ghetto prewar.

The word Ghetto has nothing to do with WWII, its origins are in Venice Italy, there was a copper foundry in the area the Jews were confined in (starting just over 500 years ago).

Lurker · « **Reply #1029 on:** June 16, 2021, 01:53:03 PM »

Quote from: AsherO on June 16, 2021, 01:19:52 PM

The word Ghetto has nothing to do with WWII, its origins are in Venice Italy, there was a copper foundry in the area the Jews were confined in (starting just over 500 years ago).

The word "ghetto" also has nothing to do with this conversation. The point being made was that we have lived in overcrowded cities for thousands of years. Having a view or windows that don't face anyone else's windows weren't options for most of our history.

aygart · « **Reply #1030 on:** June 16, 2021, 03:46:44 PM »

Quote from: Lurker on June 16, 2021, 01:53:03 PM

The word "ghetto" also has nothing to do with this conversation. The point being made was that we have lived in overcrowded cities for thousands of years. Having a view or windows that don't face anyone else's windows weren't options for most of our history.

Yeah the school bus traffic in those towns must have been CRAZY!

Lurker · « **Reply #1031 on:** June 16, 2021, 03:58:00 PM »

Quote from: aygart on June 16, 2021, 03:46:44 PM

Yeah the school bus traffic in those towns must have been CRAZY!

Not what he was addressing with his post.

I don't get the whole thing. As long as people's CBA says Lakewood is worth living in despite more and more traffic, they'll continue to add to it. Eventually it will get to a point where it's no longer worth it, and either people will take control over the decision making process, or they'll leave.

aygart · « **Reply #1032 on:** June 16, 2021, 04:04:33 PM »

Quote from: Lurker on June 16, 2021, 03:58:00 PM

Not what he was addressing with his post.

I don't get the whole thing. As long as people's CBA says Lakewood is worth living in despite more and more traffic, they'll continue to add to it. Eventually it will get to a point where it's no longer worth it, and either people will take control over the decision making process, or they'll leave.

What about the people already living there?

zh cohen · « **Reply #1033 on:** June 16, 2021, 04:06:00 PM »

Quote from: Lurker on June 16, 2021, 03:58:00 PM

As long as people's CBA

Which people? And what about the people who wouldn't move there under current circumstances, but already set down roots?

Lurker · « **Reply #1034 on:** June 16, 2021, 04:31:29 PM »

Quote from: aygart on June 16, 2021, 04:04:33 PM

What about the people already living there?

Quote from: zh cohen on June 16, 2021, 04:06:00 PM

Which people? And what about the people who wouldn't move there under current circumstances, but already set down roots?

You mean the people who've lived there for the last 60 years? Or the people who have continued to add to the traffic over the past 50 years? Or the people on the boards who approved the projects? Or the people who elected those boards? Or the people who knew the whole system was corrupt and chose to ignore it and live there anyway? Or the people who chose to fight the corruption, failed, and still made a CBA to stay?

I don't mean to sound insensitive. If it was happening in my town, it would definitely bother me more than a little. It's maddening, but things don't happen in a bubble. I grew up with a family whose parents grew up in Lakewood in the 50's-70's. Hearing them talk about the radical changes in the 90's and 00's... ein davar chadash tachas hashemesh. Lather, rinse, repeat.