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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4940 on: March 17, 2023, 10:44:01 AM »
Ooooh what happened now?


ETA: https://old.reddit.com/r/churning/comments/11r167g/daily_discussion_thread_march_14_2023/jcbu0ue/
Not involved at all bh but seems like ppl are left holding the bag upto hundreds of thousands of dollars

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4941 on: March 17, 2023, 10:46:50 AM »
Not involved at all bh but seems like ppl are left holding the bag upto hundreds of thousands of dollars
Who could've foreseen that!
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4942 on: March 20, 2023, 03:01:09 PM »
Not involved at all bh but seems like ppl are left holding the bag upto hundreds of thousands of dollars

any more detail? seems like reddit censored the posts.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4943 on: March 20, 2023, 03:04:33 PM »
People are still going in for new rounds and trying to get others to sign up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4944 on: March 20, 2023, 03:32:54 PM »
Im tired of certain BG taking 3 weeks to pay.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4945 on: March 20, 2023, 03:33:58 PM »
Im tired of certain BG taking 3 weeks to pay.
3 weeks?? 4-5 weeks seems like standard these days

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4946 on: March 20, 2023, 03:52:47 PM »
3 weeks?? 4-5 weeks seems like standard these days

There was a post upthread going through the various groups and time frame.
I'd love someone who buys frequently for many groups to do a comprehensive
Time to scan in
Time to pay
Time to resolve ticket
Time for change in price (when they modify to below cost they usually give some.time at higher price)

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4947 on: March 29, 2023, 02:08:18 PM »
There was a post upthread going through the various groups and time frame.
I'd love someone who buys frequently for many groups to do a comprehensive
Time to scan in
Time to pay
Time to resolve ticket
Time for change in price (when they modify to below cost they usually give some.time at higher price)
Can run through a few of the groups:

Time to scan in - Tdb, CNJ and MOD are currently a few days behind scanning. BFP, BGR, MYS, and BFMR are usually same day scan. USA is usually delayed longer than a couple of days. EMB is scan day after delivery.

Time to pay - BFP at around 4-5 weeks. USA at around 2-3 weeks. EMB night of request. BFMR night of scan if before a certain time that day. BGR about a week. MYS dont know from recently but seems about 2-3 weeks. MOD is currently at 2+ weeks. TDB is slightly below 2 weeks currently. CNJ at around 9 days.

Time to answer tickets - I think most are within same day to 1 or 2 days

Price changes - Going to spew a little here and people may disagree. MOD been giving some hard cutoffs for price changes. TDB been more lenient. EMB pays what they want when they want and accepts only if they want. BGR is random with price changes and can change instantly without anything to do about it. BFMR usually gives at least a day or 2 to get tracking in to lock higher price. USA locks with your commitment as long as it arrives there before the exp date.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4948 on: March 29, 2023, 02:26:42 PM »
I think that’s a great summary of those groups. The only thing I would add is that there’s a lot of theft and lost packages to Delaware. Some groups are worse than others. Amazon is becoming harder and harder to get a refund—even more so if they consider it a freight forwarder. They’re also saying that the wrong item was returned and refusing to refund. This isn’t just specific to Buyers groups. There’s DPs on Reddit from regular consumers about Amazon issues.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4949 on: March 29, 2023, 10:39:37 PM »
Wanted to share a positive experience with MYS.
I ordered two of an item for a different group and shipped it by mistake to MYS.
MYS notified me same day that they received it in error and offered to return it.

For some reason Amazon issued 2 returns with two separate labels. MYS was kind enough to return them in separate boxes and I got my full refund from Amazon.

With all the negatives, I figured a positive would be nice for a change.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4950 on: April 04, 2023, 12:47:09 AM »
When will our community understand basic risk/reward? If something is too good to be true, it probably is. If there’s such an easy/Gauranteed way to make money, why wouldn’t everyone do it? If it’s so safe why won’t the banks lend at sub 10% rates? Or investors lend with Iska at 15~%?

Do some due diligence, look at bank statements/tax returns/etc.

And if you do insist on still “investing”, protect yourself! Get an attorney- contracts, collateral, etc.

More details will emerge soon.

Our lack of financial intelligence never ceases to amaze me. End rant

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4951 on: April 04, 2023, 06:04:53 AM »
Is it lack of financial intelligence or greed?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4952 on: April 04, 2023, 06:54:59 AM »
More details will emerge soon.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4953 on: April 04, 2023, 09:30:04 AM »
Is it lack of financial intelligence or greed?
Both.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4954 on: April 04, 2023, 10:32:58 AM »


More details will emerge soon.

Our lack of financial intelligence never ceases to amaze me. End rant


Govt component makes it look sweeter.
But it’s a ton of cash apparently that went down

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4955 on: April 04, 2023, 10:34:41 AM »
Am i the only one with zero clue what you guys are talking about?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4956 on: April 04, 2023, 10:35:38 AM »
Am i the only one with zero clue what you guys are talking about?
Same. I have no idea what these guys are talking about. Anyone care to provide more details?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4957 on: April 04, 2023, 11:06:04 AM »
There is a rumor of a Ponzi scheme in Williamsburg, and this financial educated person thinks he "knows it all". Yes, business deals go sour every day and some people don't have the best intentions. Talking here about veteran business people that fell in or fell through, nobody will know for sure unless you're an insider. Rumors mean nothing.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4958 on: April 04, 2023, 11:11:39 AM »
A business deal? With fake websites. Buying products that aren’t shipped to you for specific MCC coding  Paying a fee to participate in tiers People out 6+ figures looking at declaring bankruptcy.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4959 on: April 04, 2023, 12:58:29 PM »
Alright, enough with the drip drip of information. Just spill it all out here for the DDF folk lol