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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #200 on: September 05, 2022, 08:22:43 PM »
How is that downplaying?
The only reason why one would have to kasher their dishes is because there was treif involved. If there was treif involved why are they not telling us there was treif involved. Am I crazy?

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #201 on: September 05, 2022, 08:23:22 PM »
If they are recommending people kasher their pots, they have info to share.
They may have info, but not necessarily ready to share yet i.e. there may be follow up questions based on that info that they are looking to answer before sharing more.

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #202 on: September 05, 2022, 08:23:56 PM »
The only reason why one would have to kasher their dishes is because there was treif involved. If there was treif involved why are they not telling us there was treif involved. Am I crazy?
You're not crazy. You're just young and impatient. You don't just put things out there without verifying. Let them do their job (and also figure out and let us know what went wrong here and how to fix it so it doesn't happen again).

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #203 on: September 05, 2022, 08:24:36 PM »
The only reason why one would have to kasher their dishes is because there was treif involved. If there was treif involved why are they not telling us there was treif involved. Am I crazy?

Crazy? Maybe all they have is suspicions/concerns at this point and kashering utensils was still recommended by their posek?
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #204 on: September 05, 2022, 08:25:11 PM »
You're just young.
I turn 54 tomorrow. You're actually welcomed to my bd party.

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #205 on: September 05, 2022, 08:26:53 PM »
Crazy? Maybe all they have is suspicions/concerns at this point and kashering utensils was still recommended by their posek?

They should say that then.
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #206 on: September 05, 2022, 08:27:15 PM »
Has anyone else seen a difference pre/post COVID


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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #207 on: September 05, 2022, 08:27:45 PM »
I turn 54 tomorrow. You're actually welcomed to my bd party.

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #208 on: September 05, 2022, 08:27:50 PM »
The only reason why one would have to kasher their dishes is because there was treif involved. If there was treif involved why are they not telling us there was treif involved. Am I crazy?
They told you everything you need to know.
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #209 on: September 05, 2022, 08:30:41 PM »
Someone in the OU once told me that I should never rely that an owner doesn't have the key to their own store.

That makes sense, but keys to the fridge/freezer? Also understand that mashgichim are supposed to track the in/out inventory to see if it makes sense, review receipts etc.

Would like to hear what the typical standard is - @moko
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #210 on: September 05, 2022, 08:31:53 PM »

If I understand Rav Reuvain Feinsteins opinion correctly, he feels no tshuva or even kashering pots is necessary in these situations. Unless the equation is changed by the owner not being Jewish. In any case as pointed out hes a דעת יחיד in that.
I believe kashering would be required. Although you did nothing wrong by eating what the torah allowed you to eat, the dishes are still trief.


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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #211 on: September 05, 2022, 08:32:17 PM »
They told you everything you need to know.
They said there was an "intense and careful investigation" into the restaurant. But no mention of the conclusions or findings of said investigation, all they say is that they are no longer certifying it.

Then they said if you used your utensils with food from that restaurant you should kasher it.

How is that everything you need to know?
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #212 on: September 05, 2022, 08:33:22 PM »
I believe kashering would be required. Although you did nothing wrong by eating what the torah allowed you to eat, the dishes are still trief.
Upon review, my sources were unverified about the kashering part.

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #213 on: September 05, 2022, 08:36:44 PM »
They said there was an "intense and careful investigation" into the restaurant. But no mention of the conclusions or findings of said investigation, all they say is that they are no longer certifying it.

Then they said if you used your utensils with food from that restaurant you should kasher it.

How is that everything you need to know?

Basically they believe there was unkosher served for at least 6 months, enough so to require kashering your utensils. What else is needed to know
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #214 on: September 05, 2022, 08:37:14 PM »
If the guy was serving treif the books might be cooked too, youd have to be able to confirm invoices with suppliers.

Of course. The forensic investigation in JNB took forever and a day, and I don't think they managed to figure it all out. One of the warning signs was a local butcher saying there's no way he had supplied enough meat to cater the amount that was being served.

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #215 on: September 05, 2022, 08:38:14 PM »
Has anyone else seen a difference pre/post COVID


Yes. I was there a few weeks ago (yay me) and it definitely wasn't on the same level it used to be. Service was terrible and food was meh (ribs were raw). It only reopened for seating within the last 2 months.

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #216 on: September 05, 2022, 08:39:11 PM »
That makes sense, but keys to the fridge/freezer?

Any Yeshiva bochur knows how easy it is to get ahold of keys...

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #217 on: September 05, 2022, 08:41:01 PM »
They said there was an "intense and careful investigation" into the restaurant. But no mention of the conclusions or findings of said investigation, all they say is that they are no longer certifying it.

Then they said if you used your utensils with food from that restaurant you should kasher it.

How is that everything you need to know?
What is missing?
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #218 on: September 05, 2022, 08:41:16 PM »
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #219 on: September 05, 2022, 08:41:39 PM »